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Y’all have inundated me with questions about “How’s our July 9th
Eagle Scout candidate doing?” and the news, I’m happy to report to
you, is excellent! Here’s a letter from the Scoutmaster of his
former troop…
Hi Andy,
I’m the
current Scoutmaster of this young man’s original troop. Having known him
for over five years, I’m well familiar with his worthiness to be an
Eagle Scout.
When his family first
contacted me, I was furious that his new troop wouldn’t allow him to
have to his Board of Review, and I immediately informed his first
Scoutmaster in our troop about this situation. His reaction was similar
to mine and we agreed that if there was a way to have this fine young
man get his Eagle through our troop, we’d do it. We passed the question
up through the chain, and the answer came back: Yes, let’s do it.
It took all of a handful
of minutes to convince our Committee Chair, who also knows this Scout,
to sign the application. Within a few days, I had the transfer form,
his Eagle Project Workbook, and photocopies of his Handbook and “blue
cards.” We also got a copy of his records from his current council and,
with all this, updated our records. We then sent him a copy of the Eagle
Scout rank application and in the meantime looked over his project, and
was very impressed. I shared it with his first Scoutmaster whose
reaction, once again, was the same as mine. We did the Scoutmaster’s
Conference by phone, and I started preparing him mentally for his Board
of Review. I signed the application and passed everything to our
committee chair, who had the same response that I had: The quality of
all of it should make it a slam dunk. Next, I personally took his
transfer form to the council office and worked out an arrangement to
have the council get its records updated. Shortly after this, his Eagle
Application was submitted. The council has verified everything, and the
complete package is now with the Eagle advancement chair of our
District, who reviewed the materials as well. The next-to-final step is
now official: The Board of Review is scheduled for August 15th,
and the Scout’s family is flying him here for it!
Yes, I promise to let you know what happens!
Hi Andy,
When saluting the American
Flag, do you remove your Scout hat or cap? When the National Anthem is
sung, do Scouts salute or place their hand over their heart with hat or
cap removed? (Terrence McGarty, DL, Westchester-Putnam Council, NY)
Terrific questions! Here's what the U.S. Flag Code has to say:
"During rendition of the national anthem when the flag is displayed, all
present except those in uniform should stand at attention facing the
flag with the right hand over the heart. Men not in uniform should
remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left
shoulder, the hand being over the heart. Persons in uniform should
render the military salute at the first note of the anthem and retain
this position until the last note. When the flag is not displayed, those
present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they
would if the flag were displayed there."
So
there's your answer: Scouts keep their caps on and employ the
three-finger (or two-finger if they're Cub Scouts/Cub Scout leaders)
salute – Right hand to brim of cap.
For
more good information on flag-and-anthem etiquette and protocols, go to:
http://www.usflag.org/uscode36.html#171
Dear Andy,
I have a Life Scout, and
former SPL, who consistently tests our troop uniform policies. Our troop
policy does allow blue jeans (or blue jean shorts), but 99% of our
Scouts have uniform pants and shorts, and wear them. But this
particular Scout likes to wear baggy black shorts, black studded belt,
black high tops (no Scout socks), and a sideways black hat with his
Scout shirt. At our most recent summer camp, a camp commissioner pulled
me aside and asked that I address this, as it looked too "gang-like.”
This young man is very
good with cheers and rallying the other Scouts, therefore he is very
noticeable, and popular. His dress code, though, leaves something to be
desired. At times he seems to want out of the uniform as quickly as
possible, only to change into muscle T-shirts and black hoodies. I’d
liken it to joining a football team but wanting to wear a soccer uniform
instead.
We have many new Scouts in the troop this year and I don't want them to
get the wrong impression. “Method 8” of the Methods of Scouting is the
uniform. I'm having a very hard time with this Scout (who has Eagle
aspirations) to conform. He does have the regulation socks, pants, and
belt, but chooses to wear them only when he has to (boards of review and
conferences).
Andy, I'm at a loss for how to proceed. Time and again we've asked him
to fix this uniform issue, but no sooner is it seemingly fixed than it
crops up again at the next meeting or outing. Any advice would be
greatly appreciated. (Name & Council Withheld)
Well, you do have an interesting problem here, mostly because you
created your own monster! How? Simple: You forgot about, or decided to
disregard, pages 12 and 13 in the Boy Scout Handbook—You somehow got the
notion in your head that you can play fast and loose with the Boy Scout
uniform. There's one uniform, Sir, and it's on page 12. But by
allowing "your" alternatives, you opened the door to ANY alternative,
and this Scout is challenging you. He's saying, in effect, OK, you
broke the rules and that's OK, so how are you gonna "ding" me when I'm
doing nothing more than what you've already done? And guess what...
He's RIGHT!
So
now what? Well, for starters, neither lecturing nor begging nor
attempting to "reason" with this Scout will accomplish doodley-squat.
Your one and only hope is positive reinforcement. Start by giving
treats to all Scouts who show up in full uniform, and ignore the
others. Treats can be snacks or small candy bars, special privileges,
and so on. Then, in a couple of weeks, kick things up a notch by
rewarding only patrols that have every one of its members in full
uniform (if one Scout in a patrol is missing something, no reward for
anyone). Keep at it and never "make an example" of a Scout who isn’t
fully uniformed.
Oh,
yeah, one more thing... Get EVERY ADULT in full uniform first, or
this’ll never work and you'll all look like your tongues are hinged at
both ends.
Hi Andy,
I’ve been told that an
Eagle Scout service project is considered a Scouting event and therefore
requires two-deep leadership while the project is being carried
out. I’ve searched and can't find anything anywhere that says
this. Can you clear this up for me? (Joe P., ASM, East Tennessee
Council, TN)
This one's a no-brainer... Instead of driving yourself nuts, just ask
the person who told you this baloney to show you where it's written, and
point out to him or her that until this happens, you're not buying it!
(And you shouldn't buy it, by the way, because it is baloney!)
Hi Andy,
Our troop has inherited a
Mom who “crossed over” with her first son and now has another one in the
troop. As soon as she crossed over, she signed on as a Merit Badge
Counselor for a bunch of badges, but she mostly only counsels her own
sons.
When her younger son
joined the troop, she told her older son—a First Class Scout—to stop
coming to troop meetings until his younger brother made First Class,
too.
Then, just before we all
went to summer camp, she announced that her younger son was doing
Swimming merit badge with her and so he doesn’t need to swim while at
camp. Our Scoutmaster nicely told her that he’ll have to take the swim
test anyway because this is camp policy. Well, he couldn’t complete the
swim test and was classified “beginner.”
While at camp, she walked
into a session being held for Fishing merit badge and proceeded to tell
the camp staffer that her son has completed one of the requirements with
her and he needed to sign off on the blue card right then and there.
After interrupting some more, she was finally asked to leave the area.
A while back, she held a
group merit badge class for Fire Safety, and didn’t feel that each Scout
had to do one item; instead, she thought a group approach was OK.
I recommended her to
become a Commissioner, so that she can help other Scouts in our district
and maybe not be so involved with our troop. (Name & Council Withheld)
Your troop has itself one very dangerous loose cannon! The only good
news here is that this is a troop-level problem and has not escalated
outside of or beyond the troop. It absolutely must be kept that way.
To
digress for just a moment, but importantly, Commissioners have
exceptional people skills coupled with a solid understanding of the
Scouting program as a whole, including its aims, goals, methods, and key
policies. By these standards alone, this woman is absolutely not
Commissioner material. Don’t try to put out a brush fire by igniting an
entire forest.
We
can’t save a parent from bull-headed mis-use of the Scouting program and
we can’t save offspring from their own parent. What she’s doing to her
own sons is unconscionable, but they are, after all, her own sons. Our
job is to prevent her from damaging the Scouting experiences of other
youth. We do this by never, ever sending any other Scout to her for a
merit badge; by never, ever letting her run another merit badge "class"
for the troop (merit badge classes as part of troop meetings isn't part
of the Troop Meeting Plan, anyway!); by never, ever giving her an
important or boy-related position on the troop committee; and by never,
ever endorsing her (even by silence) for any volunteer Scouting position
outside of the troop. All of this can be done in a non-confrontational
manner, by simply telling her (should she offer to do something) that
right now everything's OK but if things change you'll contact her, and
then making sure that you never do.
My
heart goes out to those sons of hers, whom she’s likely permanently
damaging.
Dear Andy,
Is there a BSA policy
prohibiting the wearing of camouflage clothing? I understand that it’s
probably not OK to wear military surplus clothing, but most outdoorsmen
have a lot of high-quality outdoor gear with camouflage patterns on
them. Can you provide some guidance on this issue? If there are specific
regulations, please provide the number so I can quote it with our troop
members. This topic seems to come up often. Thanks! (Chuck O'Reilly, CC,
Plano, TX)
It’s a BSA policy, conforming to the BSA's Charter from Congress, that
Scouts don’t wear clothing in imitation of military garb. Whether it's
"sportsman's apparel" or "Army surplus clothing" is irrelevant. Scouts,
by this 97-year-old BSA policy, don't wear Sam Brown belts, don't wear
helmets, don't carry rifles (even the imitation kind), and don't wear
camouflage. The foundational policy is found in the BSA book, BSA
Insignia Guide. It's also highly visible in the Boy Scout Handbook:
Find me any photograph or drawing, in any handbook dating back to the
very first one, that shows a Scout wearing camouflage. You won't. End
of story. Plus, if you turn to pages 12 and 13 in the handbook, you'll
see plainly how a Scout is to be dressed.
Now
let's take this one step further... People who wear camouflage for
practical purposes (as against "making fashion statements") are of a
single type: They kill. Soldiers wear camouflage so that they can
better kill the enemy. Hunters wear camouflage so that they can better
kill the quarry. BOY SCOUTS DON'T KILL, OR EVEN PRACTICE KILLING,
ANYTHING. (Even Fishing merit badge can be completed without ever
personally killing a fish!) While I personally have utmost respect for
both hunters and our military, I will steadfastly advise anyone who has
a mind to wear camouflage clothing or gear to do this anytime they like,
but NOT IN SCOUTING.
To
those who would demand that you show them anything further in writing,
stop doing their bidding and reverse it: Demand of them that they find
anything in writing by the BSA that states that camouflage is acceptable
garb for a Boy Scout, with the understanding that until they do camo's
are out. End of story.
To
those whose life just isn’t complete unless they’re wearing camo’s: Go
find a para-military group to play out your fantasy. Stay away from
Scouts.
Hello Andy,
Some of my Den Chiefs are
asking if the time they spend helping at Cub Scout events like bicycle
rodeos and so forth count as service hours. (Melinda Williams, ASM,
Atlanta Area Council, GA)
Good question... That's their Scoutmaster's call (type of service needs
to be approved by the Scoutmaster, and this is always better done
beforehand). I can tell you this, however: If I were their Scoutmaster,
I'd observe to them that this is part of what they signed on for when
the became Den Chiefs...that being a Den Chief sometimes involves more
than helping out at den and pack meetings! And of course I'd encourage
them to do this and have fun while they're at it!
Dear Andy,
I’ve just recently moved
and the church I now belong to has a very small and poor troop, with
just seven Scouts, some of whom live in low-income housing projects.
I’ve been asked to be Scoutmaster, but with very little adult help, if
any, for me to draw on. I’m lost… How do I get started? These boys
deserve to have a good Scoutmaster. All help is appreciated. (Aaron
Ariss, Greater New York Council, Staten Island, NY)
My
hat's off to you for considering becoming a Scoutmaster! I was an
"inner city" Scout myself (although at the time we didn't know we were
"underprivileged"!) and there's tremendous and lasting value to youth in
this sort of situation when Scouting's available!
To
get started, the very first thing to do is insist on help! Yes, you do
have the right to expect support, in the form of a committee of equally
dedicated parents who are willing to show up and roll up their sleeves.
Keeping a troop afloat isn't—it can't be!—a one-man job. They need to
understand and accept that if you're willing to give your time, energy,
and resources to their sons, they must be willing to match your efforts
or the deal's off. Get this before you start. If you don't, you're not
likely to ever get it!
This troop, in addition to a Scoutmaster, needs a Troop Committee! The
Troop Committee needs to have, at a minimum, (1) a chairperson, (2)
someone to manage and track advancement, (3) a secretary/treasurer, and
(4) someone to handle arrangements (finding places to go, getting tour
permits, arranging parent transportation to outings and events, and so
on). Without these people in place and committed, you're going to wind
up overburdened and headed for burn-out much too quickly!
You
also need a Commissioner to help guide you! Contact the GNY Council and
find out who your Unit Commissioner (another volunteer like yourself,
who provides direct service and support to Scouting units) is and if
they don't know tell 'em you need one right away! Don't take "we'll get
back to you bye-and-bye" as an answer!
Next, pick up a copy (Scout Shop or online at
www.scoutstuff.org) of the Scoutmaster Handbook (start
reading it!) and get yourself a full uniform (get the necessary patches
sewn on), and check out the Greater New York Council's website (there's
a Staten Island section in it) and find out when training for
Scoutmasters is running. If there's nothing happening right away, check
out the Northern New Jersey Council's website (they’re right across the
Arthur Kill) and see what training they have coming up. Next, get a
Boy Scout Handbook and read it to learn what the BSA tells boys
about the experience they're going to have as a Boy Scout—read the first
couple of chapters, then jump around as your curiosity takes you. Also,
pick up a copy of the BSA’s Guide To Safe Scouting and read it
carefully (it's also available online).
The training courses you'll want to take are: New Leader Essentials,
Scoutmaster Fundamentals, and Introduction to Outdoor Skills.
Simultaneously, insist that every parent registered on the committee,
plus any other available parents, along with you take Youth Protection
and Risk Zone training (these are one-shot deals—a couple hours each).
Then, sit down with the Scouts and, if necessary, help them get full
uniforms, so that they look and feel like Scouts (this helps them act
like Scouts and not just boys hangin' out). Make sure you have two
patrols of at least three Scouts each, and one Senior Patrol Leader.
Patrol Leaders and the Senior Patrol Leader are elected by the Scouts;
not "assigned" by adults.
Now, here's the most important part (but you do have to do the other
steps first): GO DO SOMETHING! EVERY SCOUT! IN UNIFORM! Keep
it simple at first. A day hike, a visit to the Statue of Liberty,
visiting a nearby Sea Scout ship (there are two in Linden, on the Arthur
Kill, on the Jersey side), visiting Pouch Scout Camp...you get the
idea. On that trip, sit down with the Scouts and ask them what other
kinds of things they'd like to do, then GO DO THEM!
Once you're underway, have an "open house" ("pot luck" food supplied by
the parents) and each Scout invites at least one non-Scout friend! At
the open house, DO STUFF, have GAMES, and be sure to pass out flyers
telling the visitors and parents that they're welcome back!
(That's enough for now... We can stay in touch if you like; this doesn't
have to be a "just one letter and that's it" situation!)
Dear Andy,
I just saw a news release
about an man who finished his Eagle Scout requirements many years ago
and just received his rank at around the age of 80. I think only a
former Scout could fully appreciate how this gentleman must feel.
I had to stop my Scouting
advancement at Star because we lost our lease on the old boarding house
where my family had rented rooms and served meals for many years. My
mother and we three kids moved to Georgia, where she and I both went to
work in the cotton mill, and that was the end of my Scouting days. All
my life I’ve felt somehow incomplete because I never had a shot at
Eagle. Seeing the old Scout brought back those pains, along with a
tremendous sense of joy for him.
I know there are probably
millions of former Scouts who’d give anything to be able to complete the
advancement program, if only for their own personal satisfaction. Such
men might even be assigned to a troop as a helper in order to work on
their advancement, thereby becoming a real asset. Even if they just did
it on their own, I feel like these men would become a tremendous help to
BSA because they’d be more aware and help boys get started in a local
troop; possibly even becoming volunteers themselves. I feel like
there’s a real opportunity here, if only we reach out to it. I realize
this is only the basis of an idea. The rules might need to be changed
for adults on some merit badges, etc. But I feel it is a new program
that could add tremendously to the original concept of General
Baden-Powell and later, William Boyce. Perhaps it could be a
reaffirmation of the character-building of boys, to the American men
who, in many cases, seem to have forgotten the roots of their training.
Please think about this
idea and tell me what you think. I’m retired at age 63 now, and have the
time, skills, and desire to help in any way I can. (C. Wayne Lammers,
Memphis, TN)
First, read my column #6 - November 2002.
I,
also, was a Scout in the early 50's. It wasn't easy to advance, then,
and for every merit badge we wanted to earn we had to track down the
counselor and then figure out how to get to him, because in that era no
dad ever drove his kid anywhere! We used bikes, public transportation,
and our feet, instead! Anyway, we had some guys who made it to Eagle,
others to Life, a few more to Star, and most made it to First Class and
that was about it. But we all had pretty good times in Scouts, and some
of us are still in touch 50 years later and we still remember our
Scoutmaster and even our Patrol Leaders and Senior Patrol Leader! I
didn't grow up in a family with a lot of money, so I never got to
Philmont as a Scout—I was 47 years old before I ever got to see the
Tooth of Time from its summit!
But
Scouting's not about being one rank or another; it's about having fun,
challenging ourselves, learning new stuff, and—most of all—giving of
ourselves to others (remember "Do a Good Turn Daily" and "Help other
people at all times"? I'll bet you do!).
You're definitely not "somehow inadequate" or even “unfinished” if you
still have Scouting's ideals in your heart these many years later. And
now you have a unique opportunity: The chance to help boys and young men
realize their personal goals, whether it be in rank, or taking a
Philmont trek, or getting to a Jamboree, or whatever their personal
vision for themselves happens to be. If you have the time and desire,
I'll bet there's a troop in your Memphis neighborhood that has some
Scouts who could use a bit of guidance from a guy who's himself been a
Scout! You're in the Chickasaw Council, and their address is 171 South
Hollywood Street, Memphis 38112. The phone there is (901) 327-4193 and
their web site is
http://www.chickasawbsa.org
How
about giving them a call, asking about a troop nearby, and then getting
in touch with that troop and asking if they could use an "extra hand"?
And while you're at it, how about asking the council service center if
they need any merit badge counselors for whatever your career was or
hobbies happen to be?
Yes, a rank is perhaps important, but ultimately it's a piece of cloth
and metal. But helping a boy to grow into the man he wants to be just
might be the finest "reward" one might hope for in life! A badge fills
a shirt; helping our next generation fills the soul. Consider it.
Dear Andy,
Some of our Scouts just
got back from summer camp in another council, where they offered “hoax”
merit badges like Duck-taping and Underwater Basketry. I’m looking for
requirements for these because they sound like fun. Any suggestions
where I could find this? The summer camp they went to isn’t available.
(Debra Breaux, MC, Southeast Louisiana Council)
Those badges sound like fun! Being phony-balonies, I'm not sure that
they need any "official" requirements—Why not just ask the Scouts what
they did and then put together some requirements of your own? "When in
doubt, ask the Scout!"
Dear Andy,
For at least the past four
years, our Troop has "reviewed" (retested) Scouts on the merit badges
they earned at summer camp. I’m ashamed to admit that I went along with
this practice, first as advancement chair then as Scoutmaster. I changed
my mind at last year's summer camp, after discussions with the Camp
Director and reviewing BSA advancement policies. It’s now haunting me
as I'm working with a Scout to assist him through a hump in his
advancement. He's First Class and days away from his 17th birthday. If
he doesn’t earn Star in the next few days, he’ll effectively age out of
being able to earn Eagle, since Life and Eagle both require six months
of active tenure in the troop. It turns out that he’s been discouraged
by our troop’s summer camp merit badge process, and as his former
Scoutmaster, I feel some responsibility for that. Can you validate my
understanding of this situation? As I understand it, if a registered
counselor or BSA summer camp staffer reports through blue cards or other
accepted means (such as an advancement report) that a Scout has earned a
merit badge (or partial requirements), then the troop cannot revoke that
badge or require retesting. (Alan O'Neal, Occoneechee Council)
You
have my respect for discovering your troop’s error and taking steps to
correct it.
Once a merit badge application ("blue card") or other document generally
accepted by the local council has been signed by a duly authorized Merit
Badge Counselor (registered with any council or a member of any BSA
summer camp staff) IT'S A DONE DEAL. The merit badge is earned and
considered completed on the date the Merit Badge Counselor has given
final sign-off. There is never a board of review and certainly not any
sort of inquisition or re-testing by anyone, because it's earned. NO
ONE supersedes the Merit Badge Counselor. All of what I've just stated
is BSA POLICY, which may be found in the BSA book, Advancement
Policies and Procedures.
On
language: The MBC is not "reporting" on a merit badge; his or her
signature constitutes an official statement that the requirements of the
merit badge have been completed satisfactorily. Moreover, the purpose
of the unit leader's signature on conclusion does not signify any sort
of "final approval"—it merely means that completing of the merit badge
has been duly recorded.
Once a rank or merit badge has been earned (whether formally presented
or not) it absolutely cannot be revoked. This is BSA policy.
Finally, if your troop's violations of proper procedures in this area
have put this Scout's attainment of Eagle in jeopardy, you would be
obligated at the very least to write a letter to the council advancement
chair and committee admitting your errors and requesting an extension
for the young man the troop’s impropriety has damaged.
Hi Andy,
I found your column
about two years ago, caught up on all the back issues, and now eagerly
await each new installment. I’ve seen letters from Scouts in my troop in
your column several times, and your responses to them have been right on
the money. I’ve become very familiar with the procedures, policies,
rules, and regulations of Scouting, and you were a big part of that
education. So thanks for that! And that's why I'm writing to you today…
I have a couple of Board
of Review questions that I hope you can address for me:
The Advancement
Committee Policies and Procedures book says the following about the
composition of a non-Eagle Board of Review: "This board of review is
made up of at least three and not more than six members of the troop
committee." Are there any other BSA policies that specify conditions
that permit non-committee members to serve on a BOR?
Can a Scout's parent or
guardian attend a non-Eagle Board of Review, not as not a member of the
board, but as an observer? (I thought that it’s BSA policy that there
are no secret meetings and that a parent could attend any meeting where
his or her son was present. But you recently posted that there actually
is a BSA policy that parents do not attend boards of review for any
rank, so I'm a bit confused.) (NJ Scouter)
Let's first understand that a policy is just that: a policy. It’s not a
guide-line, recommendation, suggestion, or anything else that’s
potentially equivocal.
It’s BSA policy that board of review members for all ranks except Eagle
are to be members of the unit committee. There are no provisions for
"extenuating circumstances" because a unit cannot be chartered or
re-chartered without having three unit committee members. Thus, there
is consistency across policies. There is no further profitable
discussion on this point and policy.
Neither unit leaders nor assistant unit leaders, relatives, or guardians
may serve as members of a board of review. This is also a BSA policy.
Occasionally, unit leaders and sometimes assistant leaders will appear
before a board of review to introduce the Scout candidate for the rank
at hand. This doesn’t conflict with policy and is generally considered
an acceptable practice. Less occasionally, a unit leader or assistant
unit leader will remain present at a board of review as an observer and
to address any questions that may arise. This, also does not conflict
with BSA policy and because it is for the benefit of the Scout candidate
it is generally considered an acceptable practice.
Relatives, however, are another matter entirely. Relatives are not to
be present at a board of review, following the same philosophy that
serves as the foundation for the practices of not permitting Eagle rank
candidates to see the contents of any letters written to the board by
his references and of destroying such letters immediately upon
conclusion of the Eagle rank board of review.
There should be no confusion on your or anyone else's part on any of
these points. With regard to the last one, has any relative of a Scout
ever asked (or insisted) to be present at a board of review? No? Then
let's not engage in "What if..." scenarios.
Thanks for asking. These are important questions and their answers need
to be broadcast.
Dear Andy,
I have some questions
about “Scout Spirit,” the Scoutmaster's Conference, and rank
advancement. In the case where a Scout is showing up at troop meetings
and campout events but refuses to help with any troop chores, such as
he’ll happily go on a troop outing but will refuse to help with any
troop duties such as setup and tear down of troop equipment, camp site
sweep for trash, packing the gear, and so on. Other scouts are
expressing some frustration, and this Scout is developing a reputation
as the laziest in the troop. I’m looking for a motivating point—just
talking has fallen on deaf ears. My thought was to try and use the
“Scout Spirit” component of the Scoutmaster's Conference to suggest that
this Scout may not be quite ready for the next rank, citing the lack of
any attempt to even approach the “a Scout is helpful” component of the
Scout Law. Perhaps you have some wisdom on how to address this? Our
Unit Commissioner says to just let it slide, but I don't feel like I’d
be working in the Scout’s best interest or that of the other Scouts if I
did this. (Marc)
About that "problem Scout," I'm assuming he's a patrol member and, as
such, he should be being encouraged to carry his fair share by his
Patrol Leader. Is this happening, that is, is his Patrol Leader
encouraging him to pitch in? If so, and still nothing's happening, I'm
sort of surprised that peer pressure in the form of his fellow patrol
members hasn't kicked in. Is he being given specific tasks to do, or
just asked to help out along with everyone else? If merely the latter,
then his Patrol Leader needs to put him in charge of something specific
and when he doesn't perform, then he doesn't get to do the fun stuff.
What is his rank? If he's First Class or higher, then he might be
counseled on the issue of how does he expect to advance further if his
fellow Scouts prove unwilling to elect him to any position of
leadership, based on their appraisal of his spirit of cooperation. If,
on the other hand, he's not yet First Class, then you might want to hold
a Scoutmaster's Conference with him and ask him to tell you how he's
living the points of the Scout Oath and Law every day and, when you get
to obedient, helpful, help other people at all times, and such, ask him
how he'd rate himself. In other words, the more you can draw him out,
instead of lecturing to him or "laying down the law," the better
opportunity there is for him to self-correct. But your main focus
should be on the youth leader he is directly under, because it's this
Scout who needs the most coaching on how to get the most from every
Scout he's responsible for. This is one of the ways we teach leaders to
lead.
Dear Andy,
Which merit badges can a Scoutmaster sign off on? I’ve been told that
the Scoutmaster, by right of his position, can sign off Camping,
Cooking, and Hiking. Is this true? (Stephanie Ferrin, Advancement
Chair, Ventura County Council, CA)
Great question, and one that's surrounded by myth and mystery. Here's
the BSA's direct answer: NONE. The Scoutmaster may provide records of
Scouts' accomplishments in these areas to a duly registered Merit Badge
Counselor, and may provide a duly registered Merit Badge Counselor with
testimony confirming a Scout's having completed some requirements, but a
Scoutmaster is absolutely not authorized to sign off on any merit badge
or any merit badge requirements if he’s not a registered Counselor for
that specific merit badge.
Scoutmasters aren’t supposed to be Merit Badge Counselors in the first
place! Doing so defeats literally 50% of the purpose of merit badges!
Hi Andy,
After a Cub Scout receives
his Bear Badge, does he still wear the full Progress-Towards-Ranks badge
with the four yellow and four red beads, or does he remove it from the
right pocket?
Also, when Bear Cub Scouts
become Webelos Scouts, do they still accumulate patches and wear the red
vest or do they do something different? (Chuck Sedey, Tiger Cub DL,
California Inland Empire Council)
After earning the Bear badge and becoming Webelos Scouts, your boys will
soon be wearing the Webelos Compass Points emblem suspended from the
right pocket button, so that when it's time to remove and save the old
P-T-R piece.
The
red vests are for Webelos Scouts, too! No reason why your boys can't
continue to wear them, and continue to earn "extra" patches.
Dear Andy,
My youngest son is a
Second Class Scout, and he has a question on merit badges: If he gets a
“partial” at summer camp, does he have to complete it within the year,
or will he have to start the merit badge over from the beginning? (Scout
Mom)
Merit Badge "partials" expire on a young man’s 18th birthday
and not before. That said, I'd encourage your son to complete his
summer camp merit badges while in summer camp, because the basic idea
isn't to get a partial; it's to finish.
Hello Andy,
A discussion in our troop
committee came up about revoking a Scout’s Eagle rank after it’s been
awarded. What circumstances are needed and is it documented in any BSA
materials about the required process? What started this conversation
was, “How do you formally remove a Scout from BSA because of a criminal
record"? You see, we have a Scout who was "busted" for having a “bong”
(for smoking contraband) in his car. I don’t know if he actually has a
record as a result of this incident, but we just said he’s automatically
out of Scouts. But then we started exploring our options and we’re
wondering what formal documents are required. (Name Withheld, Montana
Council, MT)
Philosophical conversations aside, I'm most concerned about that young
man with the bong. I do understand that possession of "paraphernalia"
may or may not be a chargeable offense, depending on the jurisdiction. A
bong is, after all, not an "illegal substance" in and of itself.
However, regardless of whether it is or isn't, I think the key may be
that THIS YOUNG MAN NEEDS SCOUTING NOW MORE THAN EVER.
How
are we to inculcate in him the ideals of the Scout Oath and Law if we
boot him out at the very moment he needs these the most? How are we to
make a difference in his life from now on if we kick him out, thereby
guaranteeing that we'll not have further contact with him?
Anybody—Scouts, Boys & Girls Clubs, the YMCA, religious groups, etc.—can
"steer" a youth who has already got his or her moral and ethical compass
pointed toward True North. In fact, there's almost no work to be done
at all! But the YOUTH IN TROUBLE is the one who really needs us. THIS
is where we truly roll up our sleeves. I'm urging you to reconsider how
a youth in or on the cusp of trouble should be handled. This is true
"life-saving."
Dear Andy,
I recently took the BSA
Lifeguard course. We didn’t receive a book to review or have any
practice tests or exams—the course was mostly practical—so most of us
didn’t pass the written exam. Last year, I completed Lifesaving merit
badge and got my CPR-First Aid certification. I want to go back and
re-take BSA-LG, but I want to be prepared this time. We didn’t cover
any of the tested information in the classes, so is there a book I can
study from that has the information that will be on the exam? (Michael)
Yes, the BSA Lifeguard course is mostly practical, but there is a Final
Examination (req. 5). There is, however, no "book," akin to a merit
badge pamphlet. The objective, of course, should have been to assure
that you COMPLETE all requirements (including the Final Examination),
and I'm sorry this didn't happen for you, especially since this course
requires 30 hours of instruction! So let's not let this happen again.
Buy the BSA booklet, BSA Lifeguard Counselor Guide (No.34536B),
from your council's Scout Shop (they can order it for you if they don’t
have it in stock). In it, you'll find the exam with all the questions,
and all the answers. Use this information as your study guide, so that
when you go for it this year, you nail it!
Dear Andy,
Our troop is losing a lot
of our older Scouts. I don't know for sure if our advancement chair
harassed the older Scouts out of the troop or not, but I do know she
likes to get the parents alone and tell them that their son will never
advance. Our son and my husband recently went together on a camping
retreat for our son to complete the religious he’s been working on, and
he was struck by how good and helpful the leaders there were! My
husband and I had to explain to him that it’s just our troop… (Alice
Wilson, Nashua Valley Council)
Your advancement chair, by telling folks that their sons "will never
advance," is 180 degrees away from where she's supposed to be. Only
total blockheads do stuff like this. The responsibility of the
advancement chair is to encourage advancement, not play "judge and jury"
and a road-block as well. It's really hard to believe someone could be
so utterly clueless... But, then, maybe it's not so hard! On top of
this, the committee chair and Scoutmaster are just as guilty by allowing
this blockhead to continue. She needs to be replaced, unless she's
willing to instantly turn herself around and fly right. But this isn’t
your battle. Your challenge is simple: For the sake of your son, go
find another troop.
Dear Andy,
I’m a Star Scout and I
just went to summer camp and earned two more Eagle-required merit
badges. I only need three more before I have my 21 for Eagle. But now
the District Advancement Committee is saying that, in this council, 11
of the 21 merit badges for Eagle have to be earned with Merit Badge
Counselors from outside my troop. Is this Correct? Can a district do
this? (Name Withheld, Simon Kenton Council, OH)
No! They absolutely, positively cannot make such a stipulation on merit
badges and where/with whom they're earned. The BSA considers all merit
badges equal and, once earned, they all count toward ranks, as needed,
regardless of where/with whom earned. If they take a moment to read
requirement 3 on the Eagle Scout Rank Application (which they can obtain
easily at
http://www.nesa.org/trail/index.html), they will see that there is
no such stipulation there. They do not have the authority to make such
a stipulation because it is a BSA policy that no council, district,
unit, or person has the authority to add to or subtract from any
requirement for any rank or merit badge.
This, however, is not your battle. The people who must stand up for
you, and probably every other Scout in your council, are your troop
advancement chair, troop committee chair, and Scoutmaster.
Dear Andy,
There’s a question that
keeps coming up during Eagle Scout project write-ups and approvals. We
know that a Scout can’t begin work on his project until it’s been
approved by the proper people all the way up to the district.
The problem relates to acquiring any materials or supplies needed to
complete the project as planned. The position of our District
Eagle board is that an Eagle candidate can’t ask for donations from
anyone before the district approves the project plan, but this means
that the Scout may come in front of the district board not knowing if
the benefiting organization is paying for anything or not. But the
district board also says that if the benefiting organization just
happens to mention that it’ll be funding the project or providing the
materials, then it’s OK to mention this in the write-up.
I’ve looked for
clarification on this and can’t find anything. What can you tell me? Can
a Scout ask about donations for a project before it’s approved by the
district, or not? (Dave Wermers, SM, Sioux Council, SD)
Here's the deal: It’s correct that work can’t begin on a project until
all pre-approval signatures are in place. But there’s nothing in
writing that stipulates that a Scout can't sound things out as he's
developing his plan, and this would certainly include determining
whether or not the recipient of his work will be providing the materials
or the funds for same (assuming, of course, that the project is of a
construction nature and not a service). If, let's say, his plan is for
a construction of some sort, or involves planting, or requires any sort
of material, the best plan will be one that identifies where these
materials or plants are going to come from, or how they're going to be
acquired!
Now
you mentioned something else that's a little peculiar: You talked about
the Scout having to "come before the board" for final approval of his
Eagle project. Are you serious on this point? Is there, in effect, a
"board of review" of some sort for approval of an Eagle project? I hope
not, because this sounds like an abuse of authority.
Dear Andy,
We’re in process of reviewing our
Troop Standards and Policies and we have are some conflicting opinions
on what should be said in our advancement policy. For instance, the BSA
states: “There is no deadline for earning merit badges except the
Scout's 18th Birthday. Once a Scout has started working on a merit
badge he may continue using those requirements until he completes the
requirements for the merit badge or turns 18.”
Some of the people in our troop
think this is this just a note indicating that while the BSA requires no
deadline, the troop can enforce its own stricter requirements. Others
think that the troop is required to adhere to this as a policy.
Is or is not a troop within its
purview to require that a merit badge be completed in a designated
timeframe, such as one year? (Name
Withheld, CC, Great Southwest Council, NM)
I
wish you were pulling my leg, but I know you’re not. So here’s the
straight skinny on whether troops can arbitrarily override BSA national
advancement standards and policies: No. Absolutely not. Not under any
circumstances, or for any reason or rationale.
It
is a further BSA policy that no person, unit, district, or council is
permitted to impose the kind of stricture you describe. This is BSA
policy. This cannot be done, should not be done, and if it has been
done needs to be un-done and needs to go away immediately.
Everyone associated with the stricture you described to me needs to
immediately read my column: "Are We Really That Smart"! The also need
to read the BSA publication, Advancement Guidelines-Policies and
Procedures.
(The next letter’s from the same troop—different Scouter)
Dear
Andy,
Where
can we get a copy of the BSA Rules and Regulations? (Name
Withheld,
Great Southwest Council, NM)
I
sure hope you guys aren't still trying to make up your own "troop
regulations", ‘cause YOU DON'T NEED 'EM! The BSA's done the work for
you. The BSA's policies are already in place, and any unit trying to
write its own is more likely to violate an already existing BSA policy
than create further clarity. Besides, the last thing we need in Scouts
is more rules!
That said, there are books on BSA rules and regulations and various
policies that you can buy at your local council's Scout Shop. But, the
policies aren't necessarily accumulated all in one place, neatly, like
the Ten Commandments were all on just two tablets! So, why don't you
pose your questions to me and let's see if I can help you with some
answers, since I've already had to track down most of the stuff you're
likely to ask about.
(Who writes again…)
Dear Andy,
Do you think BSA will ever
post their rules on their web site? It sure would be a handy, searchable
reference. Here are some more question we have…
1- Are troop committees,
Scoutmasters (or their assistants), or the Scouts allowed to establish
any local policies (for instance, Scouts must travel to camping events
in full uniform)? Well page 9 of the Senior Patrol Leader Handbook
states that the troop can set the qualification standards of the SPL, so
I guess the answer to this is yes. (Some background: Our troop
leadership says that uniforms are required during travel for liability
reasons. I think wearing uniforms is a great idea; however, when a new
leader takes the initiative to research the basis for this rule online
and discovers that it has none, it tends to create a sense of distrust,
cynicism, or lack of confidence in the local administration. So I'd
rather see us say that uniforms are required by local troop policy for
the reason that it helps to identify us as a group when on travel and
should we run into problems, like vehicle trouble, the public is more
likely to give us a hand when they recognize our uniforms).
2- How do we know which of
our local policies are permissible under BSA rules? Some of these
policies may go back 50+ years and many of our (absolutely fantastic)
senior leaders believe our troop's long-term success is attributable to
these local policies and remain rigid in their support for them.
3- Does the BSA require
all local policies to be documented?
4- If a scout is working
on a merit badge like cooking, camping, backpacking, hiking, or
wilderness survival, and participates in a Fifty Miler, are there any
events that took place on the Fifty Miler that the Scout can use to
fulfill a merit badge requirement, or must all Fifty Miler events be
solely attributed to the Fifty Miler achievement?
5- Does BSA policy address
serious issues such as the impact of a Scout's road to Eagle when that
Scout has committed a serious transgression?
6- What recommendations do
you have for Scouts who never get voted into leadership positions or the
OA because they lack popularity with Scouts in the troop?
7- We have some Scouts who
have great attitudes, energy, and creativity, who prefer to learn by
doing rather than reading merit badge books and completing written
requirements. They feel like they get enough book-work in school and
want a more hands on approach to learning. The BSA merit badge policy
says that the requirements must be precisely followed. Getting such
Scouts to complete these written requirements turns what might otherwise
be an enjoyable experience into a nightmare chore for them (and their
counselor). How do we help such boys to fulfill these merit badge
requirements without making it be a daunting experience for them and
without violating the BSA merit badge policy?
8- Does the BSA allow
their rules and regulations to be posted on our local web site for our
troop use?
9- Is there a limit to the
number of event-type insignia that can be displayed on the back of the
sash?
10- Has anyone really ever
started a fire with bow and drill, or just polished a bunch of wood?
Seriously though, it seems like the Wilderness Survival merit badge
should focus on fire starting using only materials found in the wild. If
one is going to carry around some sort of manufactured fire-starter, why
not select a modern-day, optimal device?
No,
I don't think they'll ever be published on the BSA website, and there's
really no need since virtually everything you need to know is in the
Boy Scout Handbook, Scoutmaster Handbook, Troop Committee
Guidebook, and so on. In these, the policies are written clearly,
and in a reader-friendly way instead of in legal mumbo-jumbo.
Now, let's see if I can help out with your ten questions...
1-
There's one policy: "The Boy Scouts of America is a uniformed
organization." So, actually, any time a member of the BSA is engaged in
a Scouting activity and is not in the uniform shown on page 12 of the
Boy Scout Handbook or the alternate shown on page 13, or an
authorized variation thereof (e.g., page 12 uniform but with official
shorts and socks), he or she is in violation of a national policy.
Period.
2-3- I have no clue as to what a "local policy" might be. If it's
anything along the lines of what your colleague wrote to me about a
while back, then you guys with your "local policies" are...how shall I
put this...full o' beans. (Yeah, that works...)
4-
Your concern, I'm guessing, is about how to avoid "double-dippng."
That's easy here... Read the requirements for the Fifty-Miler. If a
Scout does something that's not stated as a requirement, then he can
"use" it elsewhere with absolute impunity.
5-
Uh-oh, "mystery word" here! What does "transgression" mean? And, while
we're at it, what's a "NON-serious transgression"? If you want a
specific answer, then you need to ask a specific question.
6-
Get popular. Be a friend to all Scouts, pitch in and help even when
you're not asked, you know the rest... And, if you're not willing to do
this, well, then you're outa luck. No one "owes" you membership in the
OA just like no one "owes" you an elected leadership position in the
troop. The best way to become what you wish to become is to act the way
you would if you already were.
7-
It's not a "merit badge policy" that says that all requirements are to
be carried out as written. It's the BSA's ADVANCEMENT POLICY that
specifies this, and it applies to all requirements for all merit badges,
all ranks, and all special, earnable recognitions (BSA Lifeguard, etc.),
in short, for everything in the advancement category. If you want to
help Scouts who don't want to follow the rules of the game, do it by
helping them understand that there are only two options: Do it as
written and earn it, or don't and don't earn it. End of story.
More, you folks seem to be missing the point on this issue. Scouting
teaches stuff without lecturing about it (that's why we avoid anything
that begins to resemble "Scout school"). Scouting, without saying so,
teaches boys and young men how to organize their thinking and write,
present, give talks, carry on conversations with adults including adults
they don't know, develop plans, conceive designs, research stuff, think
creatively, and on and on. I had a Scout whom I counseled a while ago
for Communications merit badge tell me just the other day, "Andy, in our
civics class each of us had give a brief talk on the day before's
lesson, and I took what I learned with you, stood up—I was the only
student who stood—looked 'em in the eye, spoke up, and sat down, and my
teacher gave me a "B" for my thoughts but an "A++" for my delivery,
which she averaged out to an "A"! THIS, my Scouting friend, is what
we're here to do, as Scouting volunteers!
8-
I don't know what you mean by "allow." All of the necessary policies
are in the books I've previously mentioned.
9.
Yup: When you run out of material; then you go to a patch blanket.
Let's exercise some discretion here, OK?
10-
Yup. Me, for one. Tom Brown, of "tracker" fame, for another. Most of
the folks on the TV show, "Survivor." And every single Scout in the
troop I Scoutmastered a few years ago. I think you're forgetting that
the name of this merit badge is "Wilderness SURVIVAL." It's not
"Wilderness Survival with a Bic, Rambo knife, flashlight, cellphone, and
four cans o' Spam." Time to start watching “Man Versus Wild”!
Again, you seem to be missing the point. The point has less to do with
survival skills per se and much more to do with instilling a sense of
confidence and quiet self-reliance in the boys and young men we’re all
here to serve, mentor, coach, and be a Big Brother to.
NetCommish Note:
That sense of confidence and self-reliance becomes a lifelong habit when
successfully taught in Scouting. Baden-Powell often called
Scouting a game with a purpose and it is. Too often we get caught
up in details and trying to carve out rules where none are needed.
We need to step back and understand that we can do the most for the
youth we serve by using the methods of Scouting to best advantage.
When Scouts master skills through the advancement program and outdoor
adventures, Scouts will, aside from learning the particular skill, gain
confidence and become more self-reliant if we provide them with the
opportunity and if we first rely on youth leadership, we use the methods
available like the Patrol Method, and if we as adults serve more
as counselor/coaches instead of as rule executioners.
The question about whether
anyone has really started a fire by friction, shouldn't we get back to
only material found in the wild, and why not just use today's technology
focuses on the technique/technology, which is less important than the
experience of the Scout in learning self-reliance.
But since you asked, the
answer is that many Scouts today still learn fire-by-friction as part of
their summer camp program. At age 13 or 14, it is a pretty big
challenge too. Those of us who did this in our youth still
remember it and what a wonderful feeling it was to finally succeed.
How-to information on this is located at
http://usscouts.org/firebyfriction.asp where you'll find a picture
of a real fire-by-friction set that was used some 36 years ago in my
youth.
While doing
fire-by-friction is a wonderful challenge, it is not always possible for
a Scout to use this technique. In many backwoods areas, we are
encouraging Scouts to follow Leave No Trace guidelines to preserve the
wilderness areas they visit and reduce impact from camping. In
those areas the emphasis is on leaving the wilderness area as untouched
as possible. BSA fully supports this program and it also has
changed requirements for some areas of advancement as a result.
That is why today for the Wilderness Survival Merit Badge, a Scout can
use things that he has packed in as opposed to disturbing the area he is
visiting by chopping down trees. There is still a challenge
factor, but at the same time another lesson about wilderness
preservation. More information on Leave No Trace is available at
http://usscouts.org/usscouts/lnt/
Time for a jolt of Scout Spirit to wrap up for today…
Dear Andy,
I’m an Assistant
Scoutmaster for our troop. I met a boy, we’ll call him John, when he
crossed over from Webelos to Boy Scouting about three years ago. He’d
earned his Arrow of Light, “swept” all 20 Webelos Activity Badges, and
had earned his religious award, too.
In his new troop, John
advanced rapidly to Life Scout, served as Senior Patrol Leader and was
later appointed Troop Guide, and then about a year ago he just up and
disappeared. Now I’d heard that he’d had an injury, but this was
unconfirmed, and it saddened me to think that John had just quit when
only four merit badges and a service project short of Eagle. Then last
night, out of the blue, John and his parents showed up at one of our
troop meetings. It turned out that his injury was a concussion and he’d
been out of school for an entire year. He was just now returning to
sufficient health to begin getting his life back, including reconnecting
with his troop. I sat down with him for a few minutes, and like I do
with all of our senior Scouts, helped him chart where he was and where
he wants to go on the Eagle trail. He got the right signatures on three
more merit badge cards last night and has only two more weeks to go to
finish Personal Management. He already has in mind a solid Eagle
service project idea, so we took some time to discuss the steps for
that.
John was a bit subdued in
his manner, compared to the way he was before, and we talked about the
strains of trying to return to a normal life after you’ve had a major
injury (he knows I’m a cancer survivor, so he knows that I know where
he’s coming from). Bottom line: We’ll soon have a new Eagle Scout!
So, what about “being
active” in the troop? No problem! He did much of that before his injury
and during his recuperation, he was as active as he could be. None of
our troop’s adult leaders is so much as batting an eye about
“active,”—not like those dunderheads in your column a couple of weeks
ago! (Jim Eager, ASM & Thunderbird District Advancement Chair)
Andy
Got a question? Send it to me at
AskAndyBSA@yahoo.com.
(Please include your council name or your town and state)
(August 11, 2007 – Copyright © Andy McCommish 2007)
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