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Hi Andy,
I’m working with TroopMaster, trying to get the 2005 version to
work in the MS Windows emulator, WINE, so it can be used on a
Linux platform. If any of your readers can help, they can check
out
http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iVersionId=7757
– We can use all the help we can get!
The TroopMaster owners have given permission for this. They even
gave us a special license, login and password so that we can
test features. I understand that most everyone is linked to
Windows, but there are those of us who have switched because
Linux has gotten so user-friendly, we simply felt it was the
right time to make the switch. I'm using a distribution called
Ubuntu. Have been for about 6 months now, and I must say that
it’s been the most friendly of all Linux distributions. Thanks
for being willing to publish this! (Tim Gelvin,
www.timgelvin.com)
Hi Andy,
I've searched
online and in books... Is there any "official BSA" rule against
Cub Scouts learning how to build a fire? I've been told by our
pack chair and Cubmaster that the BSA doesn’t allow Cubs to have
anything to do with fire. I think it would be good for the boys
to learn how to safely build, maintain, and put out a fire.
Thanks! (Teresa, Middle Tennessee Council, TN)
Let’s first
remember that the Cub Scouting program of activities and
achievements is age- and grade level-based. I'm sure your
intentions are well-meaning; but there’s absolutely no reason
why either Tiger Cubs or Cub Scouts need to learn how to build a
fire. Yes, learning how to check one's home for fire hazards
and learning what to do in case of a fire is valuable, and this
is incorporated into specific achievements at both the Wolf and
Bear levels. Then, when a boy becomes a Webelos Scout, he can
learn what you're suggesting when he does requirement 7 of the
Outdoorsman activity badge.
Hi Andy,
We were tossing
the football around at a campout recently. The Scoutmaster took
the ball, saying that football isn’t allowed; that it's against
BSA policy. I perused one of the BSA sites looking for such
references. I can see how tackle football isn’t allowed, and
perhaps touch football also involves contact. But throwing a
football around? Sounds over the top, but I wanted to get your
take. (Tom Liebrand)
Yup, "over the top" is right on the money. Of course tossing a
football around is OK in Scouts! So are impromptu or pick-up
games of baseball, volleyball, stick-ball, street or
ice hockey, soccer, basketball,
and on and on!
NetCommish
Comment: Not only are they permitted, BSA has a
special Scouting Soccer program and a supporting website selling
Boy Scouts of America Soccer Uniforms and equipment at
http://www.scoutsoccerstuff.com/.
Hi Andy,
My Webelos den will be crossing over soon so I'm trying to help
boys who want to work on the Arrow of Light. Unfortunately I'm
receiving conflicting information about what’s required for a
boy to "cross over" to Boy Scouts. Does a boy have to complete
the Arrow of Light badge in order to cross over? (I fear some
boys may not be able to complete all the requirements for the
arrow of light but they still want to go on to Boy Scouts. Is
this allowed?) I can't find anything that lists minimum
requirements to cross over. Please help. (Casey Sheppard,
WIIDL)
There are three ways for a boy to be eligible to join Boy
Scouts, and any one of these does the job:
1) Earn the Arrow of Light rank, OR
2) Complete fifth grade, OR
3) Be 11 years old.
Now you’ve been working with Webelos Scouts in your den for more
than a year, and there are at least four more months available
for completion of the Arrow of Light, in order to cross over in
(or at the end of) February 2008.
If you have a few stragglers, who don't finish till, let's say,
March instead of February, then they can receive their Arrow of
Light and then cross over at that time. But, frankly, I don't
understand what the problem is... I've seen boys not only
complete the AoL but go on to earn every one of the Webelos
activity badges -- that's twelve more, after the eight required
for the Webelos and AoL ranks! Is there a problem here?
Dear
Andy,
What’s reason
behind the use of the word "two" at the end of a flag ceremony?
(Dylan Hayes, Grand Canyon Council, AZ)
The salute is a two-step procedure. The first step is to bring
the hand to the salute position, and the second is to return the
hand to the side. Thus, "Scout...salute" are the words used to
signal the first step and "Two" signals the second step. Cool
huh?
Dear Andy,
I’m a new Unit Commissioner for a troop and I’ve heard that I’m
supposed to conduct a uniform inspection once a year. Isn’t
that just like being the “Council Cop” or the “Patch Police”
that you’ve warned against in your past columns? (Name Withheld)
Nope, it sure
isn’t, especially when troops often tend to have
“double-standards,” such as wear your full uniform to courts of
honor but it’s OK to wear just the shirt to troop meetings and
such. The uniform inspection is an opportunity to emphasize and
reward the positive; not “ding” the negative. Here’s how to do
it, in the most positive of ways:
- At the close of
week 1’s troop meeting, the Scoutmaster announces that, next
week, every Scout should come dressed as if he’s going to his
own Eagle court of honor. This is followed up with a mailed (or
emailed) announcement to the same effect that goes to every
troop family (this way, no can claim lack of knowledge).
- Then, at the
beginning of week 2’s meeting, right after the opening ceremony,
all patrols are given a few minutes to check their uniforms for
completeness and accuracy, using the Uniform Inspection Form (go
to
http://www.scouting.org/nav/enter.jsp?s=xx&c=lc for a copy
of this form). Next, you’re introduced, and, working through
the Senior Patrol Leader and Patrol Leaders, you carry out the
inspection.
Now here’s the
most important part: You have in your pocket a bunch of small
rewards (can be bite-sized candy bars, or an inexpensive Scout
trinket like a “Good Turn coin,” or something else along these
lines) and you give one to every Scout who is 100% on the money
(or, failing this, to at least one Scout who is the most nearly
accurately attired).
Of course, you’d
need to be sure your own uniform is up to snuff, and you may
need to counsel the Scoutmaster and any ASMs about theirs. But
this is all part of helping the troop look more like Boy Scouts,
which in turn helps them all act more like Boy Scouts!
Dear Andy,
Great first
thought on your October 6th column. I’d like to
reprint it in our e-newsletter to my staff and other volunteers
in my district. Is this OK? (John
E. Hadden, Jr., DC,
Istrouma Area
Council, Baton Rouge, LA)
So long as you identify your source (i.e., me) go ahead and
reproduce or reprint anything from any of my columns that would
be helpful to you and your fellow Scouters!
Dear Andy,
Are there any
guidelines on grooming standards for Boy Scouts? I’ve been able
to find numerous standards for Scouts and adults employed by the
BSA and for different Scout camps; however I haven’t found any
guidance for the Scouts or leaders. I’m wondering if a troop
can impose reasonable standards. For instance, what is the
guideline for haircuts? Are Mohawks, spikes, colored hair
(orange, blue, red) OK in general with Scouting and how about
long, stringy, unkempt hair? Also, what about piercings in the
brow, lip, nose, etc. I’m wanting to get an agreed-upon
standard for uniform and grooming in our troop bylaws because
we’re having some minor problems.
Some ideas for the
bylaws are: Class A must be worn properly, buttoned and tucked
in; Class B shirts should be clean and intact no holes, stains,
or missing sleeves; only a Scout cap (uniform or class B cap)
when in class A or B uniform; no piercing visible; hair must be
neat, clean and combed; no extreme haircuts; no tennis shoes but
hiking shoes or boots for outdoor activities; no blue jeans for
activities where you are likely to get wet; no sandals,
“Crocks,” or open-toe shoes; no intimidating, vulgar, obscene,
gang, or drug related T-shirts.
I am by no means
an absolute purist and think the boys should be in a complete
uniform: Shirt, pants, belt, class B red t-shirt, official
socks, and hiking boots if you’re to attend a meeting or other
event. I think that we must travel in our Class A shirts and
dark pants (preferably green) to and from all activities away
from meetings, and I’d like to exclude any boy without the
traveling uniform. Our troop has our own fund to help out
families who cannot afford a uniform, so lack of money isn’t a
viable excuse.
We already allow
Class B Shirts from May until August, and Class A for any church
service, parade or other function in the public eye unless Class
A is not appropriate like service projects (then Class B).
These same policies should apply to the registered adult
leaders; however, a relaxed but appropriate attire for all
parents and others attending a Scouting event.
A boy should never
be ashamed to be identified as a Boy Scout, and the uniform of
the day should be worn with pride and we should be proud of our
overall appearance.
Are we likely to
run afoul of anything with the National Office? (Kevin Sweeney,
SM)
No, you probably won't run afoul of the national office. But
you're sure likely to run afoul of the Scouts and their
parents. Their Mohawks, spikes, hair coloring, Johnny
Tackle-Box piercing jewels and body art have already been
accepted (however reluctantly) by their parents, schools,
churches, temples, and teams. So who are you to start dictating
to them in areas you have no business putting your nose in?
You're not the fashionista police; you're the Scoutmaster. Not
only in these areas but in the area of attire, the only things
you can encourage are what's on pages 12 and 13 of the Boy Scout
Handbook. You really need to stick to that, unless you really
enjoy the prospect of wrapping yourself around your own axle.
Never keep this far from the front of your thinking: If these
boys don't like what's going on in the troop, they're outa there
and that's their right. WE are there for THEM; not the other
way around. This doesn't mean you have to be a pushover...
Getting and keeping boys in the full Scout uniform is challenge
enough, and enough for any troop and Scoutmaster.
Dear Andy,
I was first an
Assistant Scoutmaster for two years and for the immediate past
two years a Scoutmaster. I have a Scout who is racing through
merit badges and trying to race through advancement. He’s a
second-year Scout and he may be up for his Life rank board of
review in just three more months.
This past summer,
for Scout camp, he showed up with one extra t-shirt, no extra
shorts, no water bottle, and only a small back-pack with a
couple pairs of socks. He spent a lot of the time at camp
keeping to himself and not getting involved with patrol
activities. Now, at troop meetings, his only concern is to find
the appropriate persons to get merit badge “blue cards” from,
get approval on merit badges, or ask questions about Merit Badge
Counselors.
The Committee
Chair and I have had several conferences with him, and his
parents, already, on slowing down and enjoying the experience.
The boys of my Troop all get along and they’re always
interacting with each other in fun, games, and advancement. This
Scout has taken on the positions of Patrol Leader and Den Chief
to qualify for his leadership and has done a fine job. My
problem is with his “Scout spirit.” He does fine with living
the Scout Oath, but I have major concerns about his level of
maturity in the troop, his lack of being a model to his peers
(Not being prepared at summer camp, for instance) and his lack
of helping bring out the best in other Scouts in the troop
(being too concerned about his own advancement.)
My question to you
is: When he requests a Star rank-required Scoutmaster
Conference, must I sign off on it, thereby approving him for his
board of review if I feel he’s lacking in some areas? I feel
once he goes to his board of review, the committee will approve,
as I have never seen them not approve a Scout for rank
advancement. (Name Withheld, Bay Lakes Council, WI)
Actually, I'm a bit confused... In the first place, this Scout
of yours who is "racing through advancement" is, according to
the Boy Scout Handbook, perfectly correct in setting a pace for
himself as an individual Scout (see page 14: "you can advance at
your own pace"), but I get the impression you have a problem
with his possibly being Life rank at age 13, simply on the basis
of age. I also note that while on the one hand he's obviously
completing the necessary requirements, earning the merit badges,
fulfilling the leadership responsibilities (You even mention
that he's done "a fine job" as Patrol Leader and Den Chief), and
living up to the spirit of Scouting (You mention that "he does
fine living the Scout Oath"), you want him to slow down. Why?
According to you, he'll "enjoy the experience" more if he slows
down, but are you really so sure of that? He seems to be doing
just fine, in many ways. I'm also confused by your comments
that on the one hand that he did fine as a Patrol Leader and Den
Chief and then on the other hand that he's lacking in being a
role model. It's pretty unusual to be both of these at the same
time, and I'm wondering how this is possible.
As far as what he brought to summer camp (for a week, I'm
guessing), are you absolutely sure that (a) you, as Scoutmaster,
were crystal-clear on what to bring and (b) he wasn't subject to
his own parents' whims on what to bring? But, more importantly,
how did he cope with having such little gear at camp? If he
managed to make it through the week intact and not too smelly,
maybe this was a good "learning experience" for him? After all,
it sounds like everyone survived the week!
Coming back around
now, remember from reading your Scoutmaster Handbook and
from the Scoutmaster- specific training you took, that every boy
is different and that your job, as Scoutmaster, is to help each
boy bring out the best in himself -- That's not his job; that’s
YOUR job!
So, finally, your question about the Scoutmasters Conference.
I'd have to say that if he's completed the requirements for the
next rank, is having fun in Scouting and his patrol and troop,
and is otherwise an OK Scout, then, yes, you are definitely
obligated to encourage him to keep on and to schedule a board of
review for him.
Look at it this way for just a moment: If he makes Eagle by,
say, age 13, you've got an Eagle Scout in your troop for nearly
another five years, if you play your cards right! In talking
with his parents, perhaps you've learned from them that this is
simply the way this particular young man approaches life... He
GOES AFTER IT rather than merely drifting through it. Tell you
the truth, give us ten boys like this and we can change the
world!
- - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Before leaving
off, let’s for a moment take a sharper look at a Scout who shows
up for a week of summer camp with the clothes on his back, and
just an extra t-shirt and a couple of pairs of socks, but no
sleeping bag, no toiletry kit, no swim trunks, no towel(s), no
jacket, and no personal first aid kit, compass, knife, change of
footgear, or even underwear. This says something's seriously
wrong. Whether the problem lies with the Scout or his parents
or somewhere else, to avoid possible future endangerment,
perhaps the troop needs to try some other techniques for
communicating what should be brought on any outings, whether
week-long or weekend or day hike.
At Philmont, for
instance, before trek crews hit the trail, there's a total gear
shakedown right at base camp. Everyone unpacks everything, the
Ranger assigned to the crew looks over every single piece of
gear each person has, tells 'em what to leave behind (there are
lockers expressly for this) and tells 'em what to go into the
training post and buy 'cause they didn't pack it and they're
gonna need it. Maybe your troop needs to start doing something
along these lines, patrol-by-patrol, with the Patrol Leaders
doing what the Rangers do (with your pre-"prepping" them, of
course, so everyone's on the same page).
Another way to do this is to have a checklist of all items to be
brought, and a list of items not to be brought, with a place for
the Scout’s and his parent's signatures at the bottom. The
Scout signs that he's got everything on the checklist and this
is countersigned by his parent, plus there's a second place for
his parent's signature that he's not packed a Walkman, iPod,
cell phone, Gameboy, etc.
Please give these some thought, so that you never again have a
repeat of this Scout’s unfortunate lack of good gear
preparation.
Dear
Andy,
I’ve been looking
for a Denner cord for my Webelos den and the folks at
www.scoutstuff.org don’t seem to have them. Have any
suggestions? (Chris
Hill, CM,
Lusby, MD)
Try going back to
www.scoutstuff.org and in the item dialog box enter the code
numbers 00368, 00385, and 00369. They're right there!
Dear
Andy,
I’m a parent of a
soon-to-be Eagle Scout who has a problem. Over the summer, the
person who conducts the Eagle boards of review in our area was
himself away at camp. Meanwhile, my son had finished all of his
requirements for Eagle by July. When he asked for his Eagle
board of review, his Scoutmaster told him to wait until August
30th, when the Eagle B-O-R person would be back.
However, upon this person's return, he was inundated with
requests for Eagle boards of review. Since my son is 16, the
"powers that be" have pushed him to the back-burner and have
made him wait until they do all the B-O-Rs for the last-minute
18 year old Scouts. It’s now October, and the Scoutmaster told
me today that not only is council and this man doing all those
cases but also now even taking one of our troop’s 18 year old
Scouts over my son's request. It's understandable that these
"time sensitive" cases need to go ahead, but they can
conceivably keep coming. Should my son have to keep waiting?
What message are we sending him? Who can we talk to about this,
when both the Scoutmaster and the B-O-R person are keeping us
stalled? On the other hand, I’m worried that any complaints will
hurt my son's chances for Eagle. What can we do? (Mom)
Yes, there's definitely something wrong here. The excuse that
"well, we're a volunteer organization" can hold water for a week
or so, but definitely not months. Your son should have had his
board of review three months ago. It is absolutely unfair and
unreasonable for this sort of emotionally debilitating delay to
have occurred. Besides, this delay not of his making has just
cost your son an Eagle Palm, should he decide to pursue these!
Your son (not you) should waste no further time in
contacting your council service center for the name and contact
information of the council advancement chair, and then
contacting that person by phone or in-person (NO EMAIL!) to
request a council-level board of review instead of being told
time and time again that he'll have to wait till they get around
to him.
Hi Andy,
At a district
committee meeting the other night, I noticed one of the members
wearing a “trained” strip on his sleeve. In my 19 years of
Scouting I don't recall ever seeing a district committee member
with a trained strip on his or her shirt. I asked him about it
because I was under the impression that, since there’s no
specific training course for district committee members, the
trained strip wasn't appropriate (I've never worn one on my
district committee uniform, even though I've taken Cub Scout
leader, Boy Scout leader, troop committee, Commissioner basic,
and Wood Badge). The fellow replied that he’d been told by
someone else that he was allowed to wear it, because he'd been
to Commissioner training, and went on to say that we’re “all
Commissioners” because we're wearing “Commissioner's silver
tabs” on our epaulettes! I was a bit astounded and didn't reply
that the silver tabs just mean council or district Scouter and
have nothing to do with being a Commissioner! He also said he
should be wearing his Arrowhead, too! Well, I saw in one of
your back-columns that the Arrowhead shouldn’t be worn by anyone
except a serving Commissioner. But what's the correct answer
about the trained strip? Does Commissioner training, or Cub
Scout or Boy Scout leader or some other type of training
authorize a district committee member to wear the trained
strip? (Mike Dwyer, District Committee, Gulf Coast Council, FL)
First and most important, unless you like being labeled a member
of "The Patch Police," let this drop.
Of course there's district committee training (at least in some
councils, if not every last one), so a "trained" strip worn by a
district committee member just might be legit. Of course silver
shoulder loops are worn by anyone in a district- or
council-level position, Commissioners and committee members, and
chairs. And of course the Arrowhead Honor is worn by serving
Commissioners (regardless of what their level was when they
earned it, even if that level has changed). But we also know
that although our fellow Scouters may change out one badge, that
doesn’t guarantee that they’ll change out others to correspond.
Have you ever, for instance, noticed just how many Quality Unit
strips can fit on a short-sleeved shirt? But this is small
change stuff, my Scouting friend! We have bigger fish to fry!
NetCommish
Comment: Your Council website has a training page that
lists a District Committee Training Workshop. Philmont
also has training for the District Key 3, Advancement, Council &
District Activities, The District Committee, and more.
There are many opportunities for a District Committee member to
get relevant training.
This fellow's
stated reason for wearing the patch isn't correct, but you have
to ask what you have to gain by nit-picking. If the guy
gets irritated and quits are you going to pick up his load and
carry it too? If an animosity results, does that help the
Scouts we are serving? This is where we need to keep to
the big picture and the goals of our roles and not let the trees
prevent us from seeing the forest.
Dear
Andy,
I'm a new
Commissioner and
the Scoutmaster of the troop I've been assigned to has confessed
that his “dilemma” is his weekly troop meetings…They're not as
interesting as he wants them to be and he’s asked for
suggestions.
Now I've been a Scouter for 20
years, but exclusively in the Cub Scout program, and I'm not as
versed in the Boy Scout area. I do know all about “boy-run
troops” and no, this troop isn't one of those. I also, being
newly assigned, want to tread lightly and proceed slowly, so as
to build a relationship and rapport over time. Is there any
“quick fix” I can suggest to the Scoutmaster that will help him
solve this problem of boring troop meetings? (Name Withheld)
Start by pointing
your Scoutmaster to Chapter 3 of the Scoutmaster Handbook,
which describes what a Boy-Led Troop is, how it operates, and
how any troop that doesn't do this just isn't delivering the Boy
Scout program. Of course the Scouts in this troop are bored...
Nothing that's happening is their idea. Instead, it's the
brain-child of someone who's probably two or three times their
average age. That's like, out of touch with reality. Show me a
troop that doesn't use The Patrol Method, including the PLC, and
I'll show you a troop that maybe looks like Scouts but is
totally clueless.
Your best quick fix option, I think, is to get this Scoutmaster
(and if you can, the committee, too) to some current training.
Unless they know in no uncertain terms what they're supposed to
be doing, Scouting won't be happening anytime soon.
Also, talk to your
fellow Commissioners and find a model troop in the area, then
invite this Scoutmaster to go with you (Buddy System here!) to
pay a brief visit! That might help open his eyes to how things
can be in his own troop!
Dear
Andy,
What would be good
conservation and Leave No Trace projects for Webelos I Scouts?
(Rose Adams, WDL, Palmetto Council, SC)
Since every locale
and its needs are different, the best place answers to your
questions are at your district's monthly Cub Scout Leader Round
Tables. Go, with others from your pack, and I'll bet dollars to
donuts someone there will have some great suggestions for you!
Dear
Andy,
I’ve been elected
to the committee chair position in a troop that has had only a
handful of Scouts in the past. We’ve tripled this past year and
will most likely double again next year. There’s a strong
divide between the troop committee and the Scoutmaster about
what the committee's responsibilities are in creating the type
of Scouting experience we want the boys in the troop to have.
I’ve read everything I can get my hands on, but still can’t get
clarification on several issues:
1. What does "boy-led" mean?
2. If the Scoutmaster is unwilling to listen to the plans and
goals of the committee, are there options?
3. Our fundraising seems to have two types. The first is one
that the Scouts design and we support. The second is one that
the committee designs and actually does to provide funds for
books, equipment, advancement items, and so on. Am I on the
right track here?
Our District Executive at the council service center has been
non-responsive in my requests for input on these issues. Are
there resources I can use to find out for myself? (Name
Withheld)
1. Read Chapter 3 of the Scoutmaster Handbook.
2. The Scoutmaster is supposed to be listening to the desires of
the Scouts, as they plan their activities in their
Patrol Leaders Council meetings (which, by the way, is run
by the Senior Patrol Leader; not the Scoutmaster). If the
Scoutmaster will not or cannot do this, for whatever reason or
reasons, then the committee is obligated to replace him with
someone who does understand what the correct role of the
Scoutmaster is.
3. This can be collaborative rather than "separate but equal" or
some such. A substantial discussion of this topic is covered in
Scoutmaster-specific and also in Troop Committee training. Get
your people to training, and 99% will become crystal clear.
The place you want to go for information and insights isn’t the
council service center--they 99.9% handle administrative stuff.
Instead, go to your council's website and click on training:
http://www.doubleknot.com/openrosters/ViewOrgPageLink.asp?LinkKey=5763&orgkey=62
Now, find
the training you need, in your own or a nearby district, and go
as a group and get this done. I'll guarantee that most of your
problems will disappear as if by magic!
Andy,
Recently, my son was at his first Tiger Cub meeting and was told
by his Den Leader that until he learns to behave he would not
be allowed to wear his cap or neckerchief. Is his leader right
to punish minor misbehavior in this way? My son was very proud to
wear his uniform and this has been a blow to him. (Tiger Cub
Dad)
Here are some excerpts from, the BSA website:
”Youth Member Behavior Guidelines: One of the developmental
tasks of childhood is to learn appropriate behavior. Children
are not born with an innate sense of propriety and they need
guidance and direction... Adult leaders of Scouting units are
responsible for monitoring the behavior of youth members and
interceding when necessary... Parents of youth members who
misbehave should be informed and asked for assistance in dealing
with it. The BSA does not permit the use of corporal punishment
by unit leaders when disciplining youth members.”
The last line is important to note. Further, the BSA stipulates
in no equivocal terms that hazing in any form is prohibited.
For more, and more detail, go to:
http://www.Scouting.org/nav/enter.jsp?s=xx&c=ds&terms=behavior
With this information as platform, two aspects should be
considered: a) What was it about your son's behavior that
triggered the Den Leader's action? and b) How did your son
respond to the Den Leader's action first action (i.e., the one
before depriving your son of his cap and neckerchief)?
I can tell you from experience that a "time out" works much
better than a "punishment" because the time out ends whatever
behavior's going on, whereas punishment doesn't necessarily
accomplish this. We also need to recognize that what one person
might characterize as minor misbehavior and what another might
consider significantly disruptive can be the same actual
behavior.
So, I have two suggestions for you. The first is to recognize
that this whole thing may be in the category of hiccup; not
major flu epidemic. The second is to have a quiet, private
conversation with your son's Den Leader (NO EMAIL!) in which you
mutually agree that, as parent, you'll provide a little stronger
guidance to your son on what's acceptable behavior in a den
meeting and what isn't, and he'll give your son his cap and
neckerchief back and use the "time out" (lasts about a minute or
so, by the way) approach instead.
Dear
Andy,
Are there any
conditions in which a Cub Scout pack could use a 30 foot high
climbing tower that’s on BSA property? (Al & Deb Goodwin,
Blackhawk Area Council, IL)
Since the climbing tower is on your council's property, the
best answer to your question will come from your council's risk
management committee and/or camping committee.
Dear Andy,
My son is a member
of a troop as well as a Venturing crew. He’s been told by the
troop that he has to sell $100 worth of popcorn or his troop
dues will increase by $30. But this year he’ll be selling
popcorn for the crew, to build up his account there. I wouldn’t
have a problem if the troop took the first $30 from each $100
sold, but they're not: If a Scout sells $100, he only
contributes $12.80. My son has worked every fund-raiser the
troop has ever had. It seems like the Scouts who are
double-registered in the crew are being punished. What are the
rules regarding this? (Betty Jarrell, Simon Kenton Council, OH)
The key, of course, is what does your son think of the
arrangement you've described. If he's OK with it, let it
alone. If he's not, he's sure old enough to speak up for
himself. The "rules" for unit dues and unit popcorn sales are
up to the unit(s).
Dear Andy,
I
have two Scouts in my troop who just passed their Eagle rank
boards of review and, in preparation for their Court of Honor,
we purchased Eagle kits at the Scout Shop for them. The kits
have the oval badge, the medal, and then three small pins. Do
you know what the pins are for? We’re assuming one is a
mother’s pin, but we don’t know what the others are. (John
Meyer, SM, Troop 445, Friendswood, TX.
The folks at the Scout Shop should be able to confirm this:
One is a mother's pin, one is a father's tie tack, and the third
is an Eagle Mentor pin, which the Scout can give to the person
of his choice who has helped him significantly along the trail
to Eagle.
Dear Andy,
My first question is: In the past, the Institution
Representative, and the Scouting Coordinator positions (now
called Chartered Organization Representative, or COR) had badges
of office with blue back-grounds, signifying that this was a
district or council positions. Today’s COR badge has a tan
background, suggesting that the position is a Boy Scout-level
position. Any idea why?
Second, given that the BSA discourages wearing two patches or
devices indicating the same thing, why would/should a
Commissioner wear a trained strip, when the Arrowhead, the
Distinguished Commissioner, and the Commissioner's Key all
indicate fully trained? Or is this just to set the example for
the other adults? (Dave Loomis, Portsmouth, NH)
I'll only give you the answers if you PROMISE you won't join the
"Patch Police"! Promise?? Scout’s Honor??? Well, OK, then...
IR, SC, and COR have all been different names for essentially
the same set of responsibilities. As these names were changing,
position (and other) badge motifs were changing, too but not
necessarily concurrently. There are two different blues for the
CO patch, for instance. Others changed, too. For instance, SM
historically had a green background; now it's tan. I'm going
guess that whoever the new design team was, every time there was
a major shift (remember when they all had Mylar borders?) in
motif, maybe they paid attention to leadership strands, and
maybe they didn't. My personal all-time favorites where back in
the days when there were no words at all on any position badge,
and when you had to know what the colors meant to know what
position was being worn. To me, these made a lot more sense
than patches with no mystique at all, almost along the lines of
“Patch-Reading For Dummies.” When there were no words, I believe
we paid a lot more attention, because this meant that we had to
learn to "read" each other's uniforms. This is pretty much a
lost art these days.
On your second question, I agree that a "'TRAINED" strip looks
pretty over-the-top on a shirt with a Distinguished Commissioner
square knot and/or a Commissioner's Arrowhead Honor. But, since
most folks don't know what they're looking at anymore (see
above), maybe it's OK—Setting the example is a leadership trait,
after all!
Hello
Andy,
I recently
received my home-town newspaper, and it had a story that
included the names of Eagle Scouts from 1934-2005. I was not on
the list as I should have been. I received my Eagle rank in
February 1973, and went on to earn Silver and Bronze Palms. Yet
two other 1973 Eagles were on that list! I called the paper;
they suggested that I call the local council. I did this, only
to be told that the only “Mark Smith” they had on record wasn’t
me. My troop was 485 of Cle Elum, WA, and my Scoutmaster was
Syke Bresko. Strangely enough, my namesake was qualified for
Eagle also in February 1973. What happened to me on the night
of the awards banquet may very well play into these dates. On
the night of the banquet there were at least three Eagle Scout
awards being presented. As Syke Bresko presented the awards, to
the other Scouts, when he got to me he said, “I didn’t order
enough…I'm all out!” Well, as a 15 year-old I was both hurt and
embarrassed as I stood in front of all those people. Syke told
me that he’d order another, and that he’d present it to me at a
troop meeting, and several weeks later he made good his promise.
But now, more than three decades later, I’m still not listed! I
need to get this record set straight, so I’m sharing this with
you in hopes of getting some advice or direction. (Mark A.
Smith, Eagle Scout-Class of ’73, Troop 485, Fort Simcoe Council,
WA)
I can't even begin to imagine how upsetting this situation must
be for you--Twice! Let's see what we can do here...
Back in '73, when you were presented your Eagle medal, you would
also have received a wallet-sized advancement card, and a larger
certificate signed by the Chief Scout Executive at that time (in
1973, this would have been Alden G. Barber). Do you have either
of those? Either one of those would be proof, and you could
send a photocopy to the council office and your former troop.
The council that now includes Cle Elum, WA is the Grand Columbia
Council-BSA, 12 North 10th Avenue, Yakima, WA 98902 (Yes, it has
a website, and the phone number's available there). I'd
recommend re-contacting the Scout Executive of this council and
asking him or her to really dig into the old records to help.
Absent a satisfactory result here (or in addition to it),
contact the National Director of Advancement at the BSA National
Office—Boy Scouts of America, P.O. Box 152079, Irving, Texas
75015-2079—and ask the same question. This office has access to
all of the Eagle Scout records of the BSA, all the way back to
Day One.
Hi Andy,
It’s been a couple
of years since I've written to you… At that time I was a new
Unit Commissioner and questioning that my District Commissioner
held several positions and was causing trouble. Now here it is a
couple of years later and it’s even worse. While he did give up
(or so it seemed) the pack positions he was holding, but he’s
done lots to disrupt our Troop. As one of our Assistant
Scoutmasters, he’s told another Troop that our own Scoutmaster
won’t let them join with us on any camp-outs! This isn’t true!
Our Scoutmaster has actually said exactly the opposite, and has
put out a standing invitation for anything we do! When this
DC-ASM found out about this, he changed the story, saying that
the Scouts in our troop didn't want any other Troops to camp
with us! He even went to our Senior Patrol Leader, and told
him that since our Scoutmaster wasn't doing things right and
that the SPL should to do things his way. Meanwhile, he’s told
the council office people that he’s the sole contact for our
Troop. When our committee chair asked for information on
getting a Order of the Arrow election (it would be our first!),
this same man had the information sent to himself instead, which
he then promptly “buried.” When I tried to discuss these things
with him, he told me, “I’m tired of your bull**** and I’m gonna
fire you if you don’t cut it out!” But, meanwhile, we’ve
finally got the OK from the troop’s Chartered Organization
Representative to remove this man from the troop roster. So
now, at a Commissioner meeting, he tells me I was never
registered as a Unit Commissioner! What can be done about him?
(Joanne Johnson, UC, Nevada Area Council, NV)
Yes, I definitely
remember you, and I remember your wayward District
Commissioner. At the time you first wrote about that troop's
problems with him, I recommended that their unit leaders and
committee chair have an in-person conversation with their
District Chair and District Executive and get this guy to stop
interfering with a troop that (a) isn't his responsibility in
the first place and has a Unit Commissioner (you), and (b)
doesn't want him messing things up. Obviously, things didn't
turn out that way. One of the reasons—now identified—is that
he's been an ASM in the same troop, so he can change hats
whenever he likes and you never know which one he's wearing
(except that he's got both of 'em on backwards!). Of course,
it's unclear to me why no affirmative action was taken for two
years. At any rate, the troop is now on the right track to
solving its own problem by removing him from their roster.
As to your present problem, I’m sure you keep your annual
registration cards, and those are all you need to refute the
allegation that you’re not a registered UC. If you can’t find
them, just call your council registrar for verification and a
replacement membership card. Then tell that jerk to go pound
sand*.
* Just so there’s no mistake in interpretation here: "The
origin of the expression ‘go pound sand’ is from a longer
expression, not to know (have enough sense to) pound sand down a
rat hole. Filling rat holes with sand is menial work, and
telling someone to pound sand down a rat hole is like telling
them to go fly a kite. The expression dates from circa 1912"
(Source: Urban Dictionary)
Hi Andy,
I'm looking for a recording of John
Wayne reading the Scout Law. I’ve asked the Desert Pacific
Council in San Diego (where I originally heard it) for a copy,
but they haven’t responded. Any chance you know where I can
find it? (Lee Ann Layton, ASM, Pine Tree Council, ME)
I don't know about a recording, but check this out...
http://www.Scoutingaround.com/boy_Scouts/johnwayne/index.html
Dear
Andy,
Today, at an Eagle
Court of Honor, a mother of four Eagle Scouts came up to me and
asked what, if anything, her adult Eagle Scout sons may wear on
their civilian clothes to indicate Eagle. At the time, I told
her that only an Eagle Scout pin is proper, but after thinking
it over, I'm not so sure that’s correct. What is proper? (Larry
Dehnart, ACC, Black Swamp Area Council, OH)
First, congratulations to that mom and her four Eagle sons!
Yup, you've pretty much got it right! In the BSA Catalog or a
local Scout Shop, there are miniature Eagle pins for sale that
can be worn in the lapel buttonhole of a sport or suit jacket
(there are other items for "civilian wear" available, too, but
the pin is the most commonly worn).
However, if any of these gentlemen is attending a Boy Scout
Court of Honor, it's certainly appropriate, for that occasion,
to wear the actual medal pinned on the left breast pocket of a
sport or suit jacket.
Dear Andy,
We’ve just lost the mother of two of
our Scouts--bothers. We’ll be attending her wake and
funeral as a Troop, and this
question comes up all the time for formal events: When the
Scouts are dressed in their
uniforms, where’s the correct place to wear the merit
badge sash? Some say it really
doesn't matter—it can be either worn over the right shoulder as
shown in various BSA publications, or it can be
draped over
their belts. What’s the story
here? (Jan DeBona, MC, Connecticut
Yankee Council, CT)
Yes, it does matter: The only place the merit badge sash is worn
is over the right shoulder. As for being worn at a wake or
funeral, that would be optional.
As long as we’re on the subject of wakes and funerals, it’s
definitely not inappropriate for a Scout honor guard to wear
black armbands or even black neckerchiefs, made for this type of
occasion.
Dear Andy,
I can't seem to find a spreadsheet
for tracking Cub Scout Bear achievements. I'm looking for
something that lists all 24 choices of achievements in their
categories, with space to indicate dates when they were
completed. Any suggestions for where I can find this? (Keasley
Jones, MC, Silverado Council, CA)
There's a poster-sized Cub Scout advancement tracking sheet that
most Scout Shops sell for just a few bucks. It not only helps
you keep track, but it also encourages your Cub Scouts and their
parents to keep going! Get one for each den to use: Wolf, Bear,
and Webelos. Then, take a look at PackMaster®
software.
NetCommish Comment: You may also want to download
the spreadsheets available at
http://cubmaster.org/powwow.asp
Dear
Andy,
Have you ever
heard of the BSA National Supply Division or someone else
replacing uniforms for Scouts and Scouters? (I may have just
dreamed this one up after looking at uniform prices.) Anyway, I
have to retire a pair of Scout shorts and I’m just wondering.
(John Walker, SM, TX)
This may be just what you’re looking for:
www.euxnetwork.net/
Dear
Andy,
As a Scout, I attended the 1994 NOAC at Purdue University and,
at that time I was told that the NOAC participant patch could be
worn in the same position as a National Jamboree patch because
they were of the same level of event. After much research,
including the BSA Insignia Guide, I can’t find mention of
this. Was I told incorrectly, and the patch should be worn in
the “temporary patch” position, or have I overlooked something
in my search? (Robert Randolph)
Yup, somebody told you incorrectly. Centered on right pocket
(the “temporary” position, which really means “at the wearer’s
discretion”) is the place. (BTW, my youngest son went to that
same NOAC, too!)
Dear
Andy,
Our Scoutmaster
was recently asked to step down from the troop. His wife had
been the advancement committee member, but in actuality, the
Scoutmaster was doing it. Upon departing, he didn’t give the
Scouts their blue card stubs corresponding to the merit badge
cards that he’d given them (but the good news is that they’re
all properly signed and registered with the local council). Is
it necessary to have the section of the blue cards, with the
dates? (Mac, Gulf Coast Council, FL)
Fundamentals here. The Application for Merit Badge (aka "Blue
Card") has three parts. One is the Counselor's Record; showing
the Scout’s name, Troop number, Merit Badge name, and date
completed; torn off at the perforations and retained by the MB
Counselor on completion of the requirements by each Scout. The
second is the Applicant's Record; showing the Scout’s name, the
Merit Badge name, date of completion, MB Counselor's signature,
and Scoutmasters confirming signature; which (per the
instructions at the bottom of this section) the Scout himself
retains for his own permanent personal records. The third
section; containing all of the information I've already
mentioned, plus the date the MB certificate and badge were
presented to the Scout; is retained in the Troop records. Thus,
the only section you have to be in any way concerned about is
the third, and only if the certificate and badge haven't been
presented yet. If they have, then it's a done deal. If not,
then the information needed to do so can be reconstructed from
the second part: the Applicant's Record.
Happy Scouting!
Andy
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