Dear Andy,
I’m trying
to find out which Sunday in February the United Methodist Church
Scout troops do their service or honor the anniversary. There
seems to be nothing on the council or national websites except
that Scout Sunday is the first Sunday and Scout Sabbath is the
following Saturday. (Lloyd Biller, ASM, Virginia)
Yup, "first Sunday in February" is it! So, this year, it's
February 3rd. Oops! That means your troop may have missed it!
So... What to do... How about simply mustering your troop for
the 10th, 17th, or 24th (No one's gonna call "Neener-Neener" --
I promise!).
Dear Andy,
On an
Eagle project, can a Scout do a service project for Camp Fire
USA? (Kenny Lathan, ScoutReach Scoutmaster)
My
research tells me that Camp Fire USA is a not-for-profit
organization for youth that is as old as Scouting in
America, and shares many of the same goals and values as
Scouting. It would therefore seem to me that this
organization is an excellent candidate for service! The
final criteria, of course, will be the nature and scope of
the project the Eagle candidate conceives, but the recipient
sure seems right on the money!
Dear Andy,
My son
will cross over to Boy Scouting later this month, and I’ve just
agreed to be the Assistant Scoutmaster for a nearby troop. The
current Scoutmaster and Committee Chair are a husband-and-wife
who have been in these positions for over 30 years and are
tired, but do not want to give it up just yet. In the last year,
I’m told, they’ve run off a couple of Scouts and their dads who
wanted to help them out (sent their way by the district).
The troop
has two active Scouts, though I use the term “active”
loosely—they show up for meetings, but the troop itself doesn’t
really have any other activities beyond weekly troop meetings.
In
addition to my own son, there’s another Webelos II who may
cross over and join, and then there may be a couple of boys from
from another pack.
What kinds
of things can be done to revive this troop? (Paul Lovell, Heart
of Virginia Council)
Sorry to
break the news, but a "troop" of two Scouts isn't a troop... It
isn't even a patrol. How they re-chartered (the minimum is five
Scouts and three adults) is beyond me. And this is the result
of 30 years of "dedicated service"?
While I absolutely appreciate your motivation and excellent
intentions, I’m obliged to say: Go find a troop that's healthy
and then invite those other Webelos and the troop’s two sorry
remaining Scouts to join, too. Let Ma n' Pa retire.
Dear Andy,
Our
Venturing crew is having trouble with our assigned Unit
Commissioner—He’s truly become an interruption and in some cases
a disruption to my crew.
He’s
retired military and a long-time Scouter who comes off as just
plain belligerent. He attends all our crew meetings and
continuously interjects, interrupts, and otherwise aggravates my
Venturers. He constantly interrupts the crew officers during
their meetings by adding his "two cents." He consistently
interrupts my closing comments at meetings. (I could go on and
on.)
I
recognize that he hasn’t singled us out—he does the same sorts
of things at district meetings and training sessions. As
adults, we’ve kind of learned to ignore him, but on a crew
level, my Venturers are beginning to get very frustrated.
He and I
have worked together in Scouting for a long time, at the
district level. Without just absolutely hurting his feelings and
telling him to "buzz off," do you have any suggestions? (Name &
Council Withheld)
Let me see if I have this right... There's a guy who shows up
where he's not wanted, is an interruption and disruption,
continuously interjects and interrupts, and aggravates the youth
in your Crew, district people, training staff, and on and on...
and you want to spare his feelings.
OK... why? He certainly doesn't seem to be sparing anyone
else's?
Here's the deal: Commissioners are
not
supposed to have any contact with the youth of
any
unit. Their responsibilities include interfacing with the adult
volunteers in a unit, but
not the youth. So, start with this: Someone needs to tell this jerk that
he's not welcome
at any meeting where youth are present. Period. Not open to
further discussion. If he doesn't like it, it doesn't matter:
He's not welcome and will be removed if he, ignoring your
preference, shows up anyway.
In case you haven't figured this out: You're dealing with a
bully. Your job is to put a stop to his bullying. Do with him exactly
what Scouts are taught to do when faced with a bully. There's
no difference.
Dear Andy,
My son is
a Webelos Scout, and I recently registered to become the
Committee Chair. We have a Cubmaster that has caused an enormous
amount of turmoil, and has blatantly ignored the rules and
alienated pretty much all the Den leaders, committee members and
our Chartered Organization Representative. He doesn’t recognize
his culpability in any of the trouble, despite the fact that all
the disagreements have been with him, and none of them have been
between any of the other leaders. Our pack is shrinking and it's
not fun any more. We want him removed and need to know what our
options are. Can we just vote him out? We are unanimous in
wanting him gone. I can't seem to get a straight answer on how
to do it by the book so that he can’t cause any further trouble
or start saying that we didn’t follow policy. Can you point me
to the right reference to do it "by the book"? Thanks! (Name &
Council Withheld)
The “book"
is, in fact, the BSA Adult Volunteer Application. It clearly
states therein that the collaboration of the Chartered
Organization Representative and Committee Chair decide who will,
and who will not, be a registered volunteer in a unit. In
short: You and the COR have the unilateral authority to place in
and to remove adults from the various volunteer positions within
your pack. It is NOT required, as it is in most businesses and
corporations, to provide a "rule of three" or have issued three
letters or in any way "explain" your decision. You simply make
it an carry it out, and once it's made and carried out there is
no "higher authority" that can reverse the decision except the
head of the chartered organization (so make sure you have his or
her blessing before you proceed).
One major
point: Follow the BSA guidelines for identifying and recruiting
a unit volunteer (i.e., the new Cubmaster) and be sure to secure
his agreement to assume this position immediately upon the
removal of your current Cubmaster. In this way, your pack does
not go into a "hiatus."
Good luck
with this. The "rule" to follow is simple: JUST DO IT.
Hi Andy,
I really
enjoy reading your column. Occasionally, even I have run across
questions that I don't have a ready answer to, despite many
years of involvement as a parent and volunteer, and now as a
paraprofessional. Today I was asked if there’s anything in print
regarding who determines which optional parts of the Boy Scout
uniform to wear in a particular troop. Apparently, a particular
troop is having some issues about the wearing of the new
Switchback™ pants versus the traditional Scout
dress pants. As far as National
is concerned, either may be worn, but is there anything that
indicates whether decisions on uniforming are the responsibility
of the unit committee, the chartered organization, the
Scoutmaster, or anybody or nobody? It would be nice to be able
to help defuse the apparent tension ASAP! Whenever the adults
squabble the Scouts suffer. While I’m fairly sure that I did see
something in print, but I can't recall where. I did check the
basic resources (Scoutmaster Handbook, BSA Insignia
Guide) but I didn't come across anything that addresses this
aspect. I’m wondering if this might be something that Unit
Commissioners have had to deal with on occasion as well. Can
you help? Thanks for all you do for the Scouts! (Zea Bauer,
Quality Unit Executive, Los Padres Council, CA)
One of the best things about the BSA uniforms is that they're
pretty "universal"—if you're a member of the BSA you wear the
BSA uniform of the program you're registered in, and you wear it
completely—That is to say, there are no "troop uniforms" or
"pack uniforms," per se, but only Boy Scout uniforms, Tiger
Cub/Cub Scout/Webelos Scout uniforms, Venturer uniforms, and Sea
Scout uniforms. This keeps it simple. That said, there are
alternatives within each of these program groups that a unit can
elect, if they choose to. For instance, as a Unit Commissioner
serving a bunch of units across three councils in the past
nearly 20 years, I've seen—depending on geography and climate,
among other things—an entire Cub Scout pack in long pants,
another entire pack in short pants with blue-and-gold knee
socks, a troop in long-sleeved shirts and long pants, and (at
the opposite end of the spectrum) a troop entirely in
short-sleeved shirts with shorts and green-and-red knee socks
(in the case of this last troop that I've mentioned, the
decision was made by the Scouts, themselves!).
Regarding the new nylon Switchback™ pants, the BSA has made
it pretty darned clear that these are to be considered
alternatives to the more traditional olive twill Boy Scout pants
and/or shorts, meaning that one may wear either one and be
considered "in uniform." The Switchbacks are now available for
those in the Cub Scouting program, too, as alternatives to the
blue twill pants and/or shorts. So, I'd think it's fine for a
unit to recommend that all new members consider buying
Switchbacks instead of their twill counterparts. Then, for
those boys who are growing out of their first pants, the
Switchbacks are an excellent replacement recommendation.
However, I'd not suggest to units that they should "legislate"
or in any way "demand" this, because the BSA itself doesn't
either legislate or demand this and to do so suggests that a
unit's "edict" is somehow higher than the parent organization,
and of course this isn’t the case at all!
From an economy point-of-view, the Switchbacks do make good
sense for the future, because although they're two dollars more
than the twill ($39.99 versus $37.99) they're about 30 bucks
cheaper than a pair of long pants plus a pair of shorts ($37.99
+ $31.99 = $69.98)! (I bought a pair, myself, and even my wife
likes my "new look"!)
So here's what I think is an equitable "bottom line"—For any
Scout or Scouter who's going to buy their first uniform pants,
or replacement uniform pants or shorts (for summer camp, let's
say), spring for a couple extra bucks and get yourself
Switchbacks; but if you already own a pair of twills, and they
fit, then wait awhile till you need new.
Hi Andy,
What date
should be used on the Merit Badge Certificate? And is this a
common practice or is it official BSA policy? (Jeff Gold,
Advancement Chair, Los Angeles
Area Council, CA)
The date the merit badge is considered earned is the date
that the merit badge counselor signed it as completed. Period.
Dear Andy,
I work
with Webelos II Den Leaders, helping with the Webelos-to-Scout
transition. One of the Webelos parents asked if the God and
Family religious award earned as a Webelos Scout could be worn
on the Boy Scout uniform after their son crosses over. The only
thing that comes to mind for me is the Arrow of Light award is
the only Cub Scout award that can be worn on the Boy Scout
uniform. I told the parent I would try to find an answer. Can
you help? (Bob Rowe, ASM, Piedmont Council, NC)
The silver-and-purple square knot received for having earned
God and Family as a Webelos Scout (or God and Me as a Cub Scout)
is perfectly legal to wear on the Boy Scout uniform. If this
young man then goes on to earn the God and Country religious
award designed for Boy Scouts, he would then place two small
devices on the square knot, each indicative of the level
earned. (This is "in the book," by the way—It's just hard to
find!)
Dear Andy,
Why is flag football OK for a sports
belt loop and pin and tackle isn’t? I’d like to know BSA’s
criteria for that decision. (Name & Council Withheld)
You've asked an excellent question, and it's not been asked
before, so let’s think about it... True tackle football requires
lots of gear and involves lots of hard hits and heavy thumps;
flag football requires some neckerchiefs and is otherwise "hands
off."
Dear Andy,
Actually I
have thought about it. As a parent with two boys in
football—one flag and one tackle—I saw more injuries in flag
because there aren’t pads. Problem is, in order to achieve the
Sportsman badge, a Webelos Scout must play two
team sports. For a few boys,
one of the team sports they play
is football. Unfortunately, by the time a boy reaches Webelos,
only tackle is offered; flag football is only offered at the
Tiger age, thus disqualifying it for that particular badge. I
really want a clear definition as to why, and now I need to
explain that to a few Webelos and work on “Plan B”. (N&CW)
Thanks for your
time.
Understand that the BSA in no way prohibits a boy from
playing any sort of sport he wants to. The BSA does, however,
impose safety standards on sports played within the Scouting
program.
Dear
Andy,
I totally
understand that. The Scouting program is wonderful and has
brought my family and many others together. I’m just
disappointed that the BSA doesn’t recognize tackle football as a
sport to earn a belt loop or sportsman badge. (N&CW)
With 25 different sports available to Cub Scouts, of which at
least 16 are Olympic sports, I'm hoping that your disappointment
over the considered absence of one particular injury-prone sport
doesn't pervade your overall Scouting attitude!
Dear Andy,
I’m trying
to figure out how my Bear Cub Scout can earn the religious
emblem. I’m told that he has to do a workbook in
order to get it. Is this correct? (Tim Shrader)
Yup, that's correct. The religious award programs of the
various faiths and denominations use workbooks. Check out
www.praypub.org
Dear Andy,
My troop
is working on model rockets. They’re building water rockets out
of soda bottles and will launch them at a winter camping event.
One of our leaders built a potato cannon and demonstrated it to
our Scouts. Of course it was a hit! My question is: Can my
Scouts shoot the potato cannon at a target if we have adult
supervision, safety glasses, ear
protection, and do it in a secure area? (Charles Kopcho, SM)
For this excellent question you need an official answer from
a local authority. Your council is likely to have a risk
management committee, and these good folks will be your best
source for this.
Dear Andy,
Can merit
badges be worn on the right sleeve of the short-sleeved shirt?
The Insignia Guide shows a long-sleeved shirt, but doesn't
specifically say a long-sleeved shirt. I had read that it could
on another website that said it could, but four of my fellow
Commissioners emphatically said No. (John Walston, UC, Central
North Carolina Council)
They can be worn on the long-sleeved shirt, but not the
short. From a practical point of view, fuggetaboutit entirely!
After six on the sleeve, they all have to be removed so they can
go on a sash (you don't wear 'em in both places) and they leave
ugly circles (or worse if that new glue stuff is employed) where
they once were.
Want the “authoritative” answer? In the BSA's INSIGNIA
GUIDE, it shows them placed “above cuff” (refer to pg. 22) on
the long-sleeved uniform shirt. The short-sleeved shirt, in the
first place, has no cuff, and in the second, doesn’t have a
"position 4." End of story.
Dear Andy,
Can a
Scout who earned Eagle wear the rank badge without having had
his Court of Honor? (Frank Anzaldi, MC, Suffolk County Council,
NY)
Absolutely! He became an Eagle Scout on the date he
completed his board of review for the rank. Wearing the Eagle
badge on his uniform right away is to be encouraged! (Setting
the example, and all that...)
Dear Andy,
At a
recent College of Commissioner Science, a discussion came up
regarding Boards of Review and uniforming regulations… Is a
merit badge sash required as part of the uniform for a board of
review? (One fellow Commissioner said it was, his justification
being that he would then know if the Scout had all the required
merit badges for a particular rank.) I felt that that rationale
was odd: Why would the Scout be in a board of review if he
hadn’t earned the merit badges necessary for the rank? I’d
think that the appropriate signatures in his handbook, plus his
Blue Cards, would provide all the assurance necessary. In fact,
I’m not aware of any BSA policy requiring a Scout to have a sash
at all! The other Commissioner responded that a sash is
required when a Scout has three merit badges, and I countered
that, according to the Insignia Guide, a Scout may wear
up to six merit badges on the right sleeve of a long-sleeved
uniform shirt, if he chooses to. So, is a Scout required to
have a merit badge sash? Is these some sort of actual written
policy on this? (John Walston, UC, Central North Carolina
Council)
The BSA statement regarding uniforming by the Scout at a
board of review is simply this: The Scout should be as
completely uniformed as possible. THERE ARE NO OTHER
STATEMENTS.
Anyone demanding "full uniform" or "must wear merit badge
sash," and other such nonsense is way, way out of line. In
fact, a merit badge sash is optional. If the Scout doesn't want
to wear one, no one can force him to. That clown of a
Commissioner ought to have his head dunked in hot oil! Stick
with your good sense—You don't need chapter and verse to know
when somebody's whacko!
Hi Andy,
Our
troop’s problem: An over-zealous Unit Commissioner. We truly
value the time and effort Unit Commissioners put in, but our own
UC is at every troop meeting, every committee meeting, and any
and all other troop functions. At our last troop meeting, we
had a Webelos II den visiting, and our Committee Chair was
briefing the parents on what to expect in Boy Scouting, and this
UC kept butting in and contradicting everything the CC said. At
troop committee meetings he injects himself into the meeting and
goes off on 20-minute diatribes. It’s reached the point that
we’re actually having secret committee meetings, so he doesn’t
show up and turn what we can do in about an hour into three-hour
speechifying by himself! Bottom line: He’s negatively rather
than positively affecting how the troop operates. Any words of
wisdom? (Marty Bongers, ASM, National Capital Area Council)
Ahhh... The care and feeding of Commissioners!
Just as you and your fellow volunteers at the unit level have
stepped up to serve the troop you're associated with, and the
Scouts in it, Commissioners have volunteered to serve you all.
Sometime, just like you, they need some guidance. In the first
place, they don't have contact with either parents or the Scouts
themselves unless you invite them to do so. "Buttinski's" don't
win popularity contests! In the second place, spouting policy
(even if it's correct) in front of parents, to the possible
embarrassment of the unit-level folks, is a big no-no! This
should be a side conversation—either beforehand, if possible, or
afterwards, to correct errors--but never, ever "in public."
Third, Commissioners come to committee meetings and visit troop
meetings on invitation only. If you all haven't "blessed" his
presence in advance, he's flat out not welcome. But, if he's
been invited and shows up and then starts spouting off, it's the
chair of the meeting's job to shut him down. (This applies to
anyone who wants to grandstand at a meeting!) If the chair
doesn't do this, well then shame on him!
Have you spoken with your Commissioner about any of the
problems you're having with him? He's not a mind-reader, you
know. He may not know there's a problem, and may believe that
he's doing a terrific job keeping you all on the
straight-and-narrow. If you don't conference with him, it would
be unrealistic to expect him to change, out of the blue.
So, have a conversation—not a gripe session. Do a “Roses n’
Thorns,” just like you would on a Philmont trek. Tell him what
you need, and what you don't, tell him what you like about what
he’s doing, and then point out whatever behaviors need changing
in order to strengthen the relationship. Do this the same way
you'd conference with anyone... Scout, parent, son or daughter,
co-worker, and so on. After all, you're all in this together
and you're all trying to do the best jobs you possibly can. He
should get the message. If he doesn't, well, as a last resort
you can contact your District Commissioner and ask that someone
else be assigned to your troop. But, talk first. I'll bet you
dollars to donuts you'll see a big difference, if you handle
things as diplomatically as you're ultimately expecting from
him!
Dear Andy,
I have the
pleasure of receiving an Eagle Mentor pin from two Eagle Scouts.
So as not to offend them, should I wear both pins, or will it be
OK to wear one? I’ve not seen anyone wearing more than one
Mentor pin. (SM, Heart of Virginia Council)
If I had been given these by Scouts in my troop, you can sure
bet that I'd wear both! Wow! Not a thing to be embarrassed
about! In fact, I'd call these a considerable honor, that two
young men think so well of you!
Hi Andy,
After five
years, our Cubmaster is crossing over to Boy Scouts with her son
in about a month. She’s not been involved in the Pack for two
years (she lost her husband to cancer and then last year her
house burned to the ground). Since she’s been less than
involved, we’d asked her to take another, less rigorous
position, but she refused. As a result, we’ve had to carry her
weight as Cubmaster all this time. So what on earth should we
do for her at the Blue & Gold banquet? Should we honor her with
a plaque even though she’s done nothing for two years? Half the
pack doesn't even know who she is! The families in her own
son's den don't even want to make anything for her because they
just never see her. She did come to the Pinewood Derby last
month, and we know she’ll be at the B&G next month. Any thoughts
on what, if anything, we should do for her at the banquet? (Lori
Swift, MC)
To answer that question (it's a good one!), ask yourself this
question:
What would
a Scout do? The answer will come to you, I guarantee it!
Dear Andy,
I was born
in 1933 and became a Boy Scout in 1945, attained the rank of
Life Scout, had more than 21 merit badges, but could not pass
the swim test that was required for the Eagle rank at that time.
I understand that either Hiking and Cycling merit badge can now
be substituted for swimming. I have hiked the
Grand Canyon in recent years and
participated in organized cycling events. Do you know if
records still exists from over 60 years ago? Being an Eagle has
always been my dream and still is today. (Name Withheld)
In 1945, to earn the rank of First Class, a Scout needed to
be able to swim at least 50 yards, so this means that you had at
least some swimming ability if you made it to Life Rank. At
that time, to be an Eagle Scout, you needed to (a) be active as
a Life Scout for at least 6 months, and (b) earn 21 merit badges
(including these required: Athletics OR Physical Development,
Bird Study, Camping, Civics, Cooking,
First Aid, Lifesaving, Personal Health, Pathfinding,
Pioneering, Public Health, and Safety). Swimming merit badge was
not on the "required" list, but it was a prerequisite to earning
Lifesaving, which was required. So, if you didn't earn Swimming
merit badge, you couldn't earn Lifesaving, at that time. Also,
there was no age restriction on earning the rank of Eagle Scout
at that time. The age restriction wasn't put in place for
another seven years. This effectively gave you seven more years
to learn to swim well enough to qualify for Lifesaving merit
badge.
Beginning in 1952 and continuing to this day, the BSA
stipulated that a Scout's 18th birthday was the "sunset" of his
Boy Scouting days and no ranks could be earned beyond that
date.
So, if the BSA National Advancement Committee were to
sanction your earning Eagle per the requirements in force in
1945, you'd have to earn both Swimming and Lifesaving merit
badges.
On the other hand, if you wanted to earn Eagle by today's
requirements (save the age restriction that's been in force for
the past 56 years), and asked for this sanction, you'd be
confronted by a whole new set of merit badges that are now
required, that didn't exist in 1945, including: Citizenship in
the Community, Citizenship in the Nation, Citizenship in the
World, Communications, Emergency Preparedness, Environmental
Science, Family Life, Hiking/Cycling, and Personal Management.
Moreover, there are now leadership requirements (e.g., Patrol
Leader, Senior Patrol Leader, etc.) and a significant service
project that would need to be completed.
Although you've probably already done your own research into all
of this, I'm laying it out in some detail for you, so that we
can hopefully agree that the time's past for accomplishing this
particular goal. While perhaps regrettable, it's hardly "the
end of the world as we know it." Thanks to your Scouting
experiences, I would imagine you've lived an honorable,
productive, responsible, and happy life, and can look back on
your Scouting days in good cheer, and if you think you've
somehow "failed," this is hardly the case. For more on this,
read my column of November 2002 (Issue No. 6).
Dear Andy,
I’ve just
been appointed District Venturing Chair, and I'm having
difficulty locating information regarding the structure and
responsibilities of this position. Can you direct me to some
resources? (K.T.)
Councils
often approach Venturing differently from one another, so your
best resources for getting underway will be your district chair,
your district executive, and your council Venturing chair.
Face-to-face conversations will work a lot better than email, by
the way.
Hello
Andy,
It’s my
understanding, from the Guide to Safe Scouting, that Cub
Scouts can't use solid fuel rockets. Anyway, it got me replaced
by the District Commissioner and Unit Commissioner of the pack
(up till then, I’d been the UC of two troops and two packs).
This DC has made it his mission to remove me from my Units. He
had a meeting with sponsor of two of the units I had been
serving, and told them that I no longer wanted to be their UC
(even though that conversation never happened). Then, after my
talking to the Cubmaster and Committee Chair of my other pack
about the rockets, the Cubmaster told the District Commissioner
about it. Two days later, the DC came to my house and in front
of my kids told me that the pack didn't want me as UC anymore,
and added that the Scout Executive of our council had told him
to do this. I felt that I needed to take myself out of his line
of fire, and subsequently told my other troop that I wasn’t
going to be their Unit Commissioner any longer. I guess what I'm
wondering is how can a council not see this District
Commissioner for what he really is—No matter how many people
complain about him, they keep giving him more things to do. The
latest is he’s now the representative for the OA in our area,
and on the Eagle board. Maybe I'm just venting, but shouldn't
the Scout Executive at least have had a meeting and asked me
what was going on, instead of just going on this man's word?
I've been told to talk to National but at this point I don't
believe they would or could do anything. Getting my units back
is the least of my concerns. The fact is that this guy
represents Scouting but clearly doesn't know what that means.
What kind of example is he? For the Scouters and more
importantly the Scouts. (Name & Council Withheld)
Why isn't the Scout Executive taking action? Simple. That's
not his job. Think of it this way: The SE is the business
equivalent of chief operating officer of the company. Your
situation is way down the corporate food chain, definitely no
higher than "division/department-level" and this isn't where
COOs make decisions. That's the job of the division/department
heads, which, in your case, would be your district's "Key 3"—one
of whom is the DC you're locking horns with! That's a no-win
situation for you. I hope you can find another Scouting thing
to do that both keeps you happy and feeling fulfilled, and keeps
you away from that DC.
Hello
Andy,
I am
looking for some help on determining what is a
"Boy Scout-oriented outdoor activity" as it relates to the Arrow
of Light. Our troop is offering Webelos II dens the
opportunity to rake leaves with us for our chartered
organization as the Boy Scout-oriented outdoor activity, but the
Webelos Den Leaders think that this isn’t in the spirit of the
requirement and it should be something more fun, in order to
encourage the boys to continue in Scouting, instead of just
lending more hands to accomplish a raking chore. What do you
think? (Rochelle Ray, MC, Mohegan Council,
MA)
I agree with those Webelos Den Leaders. The purpose of this
requirement is to turn on Webelos Scouts to the idea of becoming
Boy Scouts. Raking leaves is hardly an appropriate way to go
about this. The troop that thought this one up needs a wake-up
call!
Dear Andy,
Where does
a Scout wear his Eagle palms on his uniform? (Jane Dienger, ASM,
Chippewa Valley Council, WI)
He doesn't. A Scout wears his palms on the ribbon of his
Eagle medal, and wears that at special occasions such as Courts
of Honor.
Dear Andy,
A while
ago, you addressed an issue with a Chartered Organization
Representative (COR) overstepping her bounds and directing unit
program content. Your advice was, “Nowhere does it say that the
COR influences, much less controls, the Troop's program
itself. Clip her wings, fast!” While I agree that directing the
unit to attend a specific event is beyond the scope of what a
COR should do, it’s not beyond the scope of what they
can do. They can withdraw their approval of adult leaders
(thus you’re no longer a Scouter) and disband a unit. As a
result, they ultimately hold the keys. While this is very
Draconian, it’s within their authority. My point is not that
the unit leaders should bow to COR, but that they should proceed
with caution. It sounds like they need to go over her head and
contact the chartered organizations head or executive officer,
but the unit leaders have no ability to actually “clip her
wings” and may find that it’s their own wings that are
endangered, because a bull-headed COR may be willing to fold the
unit to prove her point. If the COR is ultimately too intrusive
for your taste, go find yourself another unit. (Kevin M.,
Cherokee Area Council, TN)
Except for the polite Asian gesture, Americans bow to no
one. Tin god CORs are near the top of the list of people we
don't bow to. Face-to-face conversations about what we need, and
don’t need, work best; email works least well.
Dear Andy,
My son
earned the religious knot as a Cub Scout and has moved on to Boy
Scouts. I was told by the Cubmaster that you can only earn the
knot once, no matter how many times you do the program, and that
it can be worn on his Boy Scout uniform. The Scoutmaster says
that it can’t be worn unless he does the program again as a Boy
Scout. I couldn’t find any clear information on either point of
view on the internet. Can you help clear this up? (Jayne Dowdy)
Your son's Scoutmaster needs to brush up on his knowledge
base and that Cubmaster on how he describes things (assuming
you're quoting him, of course). Both are a bit toward the
left-field side. The square knot (SK) for the Cub Scout
religious award can absolutely, positively, 100% be worn on his
Boy Scout uniform. In fact, if he earned, say, the God and Me
award as a Cub or Webelos, he now eligible to earn the God and
Country award as a Boy Scout. If he does this, then he gets to
pin a Cub Scout and a Boy Scout device on his SK (but he doesn't
sew on a second identical SK).
Dear Andy,
Our pack
would like to do a service project for the local humane society,
by building them a bench. We built one several years ago, but I
don't know where to get plans anymore. Can you help direct me?
The bench was a very simple park bench made out of wood. Thanks!
(Richard Meddings, DL, National Capital Area Council, MD)
How about simply making it a part of your service project to
go out and measure the existing bench, so that you can build one
that matches! Oh... that bench wasn't built for the Humane
Society? No prob! Go find the first bench and take your
measurements.
Dear Andy,
There's a
new museum of history going up next to a recently discovered
fossil site in our town. The museum is interested in doing
workshops and will be a great resource for Scouts in the area.
There are already a Geology and a Scientist Cub Scout activity
badge, and I'm sure there are equivalent badges at the Boy Scout
level. Is it possible (allowable?) for our local council to
develop a more specific Paleontology badge, or, at the least,
some kind of temporary badge to be given out to Scouts who
complete achievements at the museum? Any ideas or advice would
be welcome. (Keith Pilkey, WDL, Sequoyah Council, TN)
What a great idea! While it wouldn't be an official BSA
merit badge or activity badge, you certainly can develop a
locally-based Paleontology Awareness (or some name better than
that) patch, attach some appropriate requirements, and make it
available to all youth who complete the requirements. It's a
patch that could be worn on the right pocket of any uniform
shirt. You may even want to develop age-appropriate
requirements, so that every youth from Tiger Cub through
Venturer can earn it at their own level!
Dear Andy,
As
volunteer new to Scouting (I’m a Den Leader for two different
dens) I’m having a hard time finding meaningful jobs for our
Denner and Assistant Denner. The boys in both dens voted and
picked their Denner and AD, so now what do I do? Is there a list
of responsibilities somewhere? (Marianne Noyes, WDL/DL,
Northeast Georgia Council)
Thanks for becoming a Den Leader! You're gonna have fun, and
truly make a difference in the lives of boys! I'm more than a
half-century away from when I was a Cub, and I still remember my
Den Leader's name, where she lived, and most of the boys in my
Den! Cool, Huh?
First, rotate the Denner position: One boy this month,
another boy next month (make sure every boy gets his chance).
The Denner and AD are
your BIG HELPERS!
They get to lead the opening ceremony and flag salute at your
Den meetings, and they're "in charge" of the others at Pack
meetings. They get the "glamorous" jobs and not the drudgery.
This is their very first taste of (guided) leadership. For
more, read the Cub Scout Leader Book.
Here’s a sort of unique exchange – A
lesson in either miscommunication or “no good deed…” (you finish
the quote)…
Hi Andy,
My son is
working on his Eagle requirements. Are there any "sample"
letters of recommendation to look at. We would like to get some
ideas. (Name & Council Withheld)
Why does an Eagle candidate need a sample letter of
recommendation?
Hi Andy,
Simple:
Because we’ve never done one or seen one. It would just be nice
to know what some of them look like. I'm sorry if this sounds
like a stupid question to you.
The more I
thought about your nasty response to my email question, that
madder I got. I HOPE that you are not an Eagle Scout because
you NOT know the 12 points—You know: The ones about being kind,
helpfully and friendly. You are not an example of any of the
Scouts that I know. (N&CW)
Kindly take a moment to re-read my question to you. It
sought information. It made no accusations, offered no
judgments on the nature or intent of your question, was
emotionally neutral, and was neither unkind nor unhelpful (no
way to help until I understood the need), nor unfriendly. I
hope you're better able to deal with your anger than to aim it
at a person voluntarily committed to helping tens of thousands
of people like yourself who need to know stuff that's not
necessarily "in the book," and who personally replies to every
letter he receives, including yours.
I'm now guessing, correctly I hope, that you're asking your
question as a parent who will soon be asked by your son's troop
advancement chair to write a letter of recommendation for him
when it comes time for him to complete his Eagle Scout rank
application. When that time comes, and you receive that
request, there's only one "rule" to follow and it’s this:
Write from
your heart and you'll never be wrong.
Best wishes and congratulations to your son --
(Epilogue: None. Never heard from them again.)
Hey Andy,
I just got
my new adult Scouter uniform and remembered that I have a green
American Flag from the Army that’s the same size as the one on
the Scout shirt’s shoulder. Can I replace the Boy Scout U.S.
flag with that one? (Luke Whitcomb, Daniel Webster Council, NH)
Thanks for stepping up and volunteering, and for asking a
good question. The BSA stipulates that only BSA badges may be
worn on BSA uniforms, and specifically prohibits military
badges.
Hello
Andy,
I first
found your column some years ago, when I was a Unit Commissioner
and used it extensively as District Commissioner. Many thanks on
behalf of the hundreds of Scouters and the thousands of Scouts
in our district who have benefited from your insights and shared
experiences over the years.
In
"catching up" after the holidays and some business trips, your
December 22nd
response to a Cubmaster on "right sizing" his dens finally
prompted me to write. Your advice, as usual, was spot-on.
I was away
on business when my son signed up to be a Bear during an open
house at school. The next week, my wife let me know that I was
going to take him to school. At that point, I was just another
typical parent, in this case one of eleven(!), who thought
they'd simply drop their son off and leave. The Den Leader
stopped us with a, "Now wait a minute!" and proceeded to tell us
that not only did the BSA require two-deep leadership, but that
if she didn’t get some help there’d be no den!
Four of us
agreed we could help out "part-time" as Assistant Den Leaders.
About a week or so later, she suggested that a den of 14 boys
was just too big, and needed to be split. Though it
seemed impossible to split things equitably, the boys actually
did it themselves once we told them what needed to be done. I
became the other Den Leader, and our originally oversized den
became two separate dens of seven each, each with an Assistant
Den Leader. The amazing thing was the friendly competition that
developed among the boys as we continued to meet together on
occasion and, of course, interacted at pack meetings. These
guys pushed each other to outperform "the other den." Their
self-motivation made my job easier!
Fast
forward a few years. Of the original 14 boys, 13 bridged into
Boy Scouts and all reached First Class in their first year. As
the years passed, 11 of them, including my son, earned Eagle!
Splitting
that den right up front and then sticking to it gave us adults
manageable groups and gave the boys the drive to excel that made
it all possible!
Thanks
again for sharing your knowledge and experience. Keep up the
good work! (George "Fritz" McMullin, Scoutmaster)
Wow! What a great story! Funny how when we "work" the
Scouting program, the Scouting program works! And hats off to
that savvy Den Leader, who got you all started!
Happy Scouting!!
Andy
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(February 12, 2008 – Copyright © Andy McCommish 2008)