There’s no question but
that these columns have sharp-eyed readers! Here’s a sampling…
Dear Andy,
In your June 12,
2010 column, you mentioned a Scout needing to change to the newest
requirements for Camping merit badge instead of completing it using the
requirements he’d started with. I think you’re just a bit off the mark
on this one, Andy. The BSA’s current policy is that a Scout can complete
a merit badge using the requirements he started with, regardless of how
long ago he started. (JHF, MBC, Gulf Stream Council, FL)
Dear Andy,
Here’s the BSA
quote, from the 2010 Boy Scout Requirements book: “If a Scout has
already started working on a merit badge when a new edition of the
pamphlet is introduced, he should continue to use the same merit badge
pamphlet and fulfill the requirements therein to earn the badge. He need
not start all over again with the new pamphlet and possibly revised
requirements.” (Ben Ward, Heart of Virginia Council)
Dear Andy,
Wrongo… If a Scout has
already started working on a merit badge when a new edition of the
pamphlet is introduced, he may continue to use the same merit badge
pamphlet and fulfill the requirements therein to earn the badge. He
needn’t start all over again with a new pamphlet and possibly revised
requirements (source:
Boy Scout Requirements)
(Matt Culbertson Keystone York-Adams Council, PA)
Yup, you're all right on
the money, and I'll take twenty lashes with a wet lanyard for missing
that... It used to not be that way, and shame on me for not picking up
on the change!
Dear Andy,
I have two questions… First, if you’ve participated in two National
Scout Jamborees, can you wear both patches on your uniform (one above
and the other on the right pocket)? And second, where can I buy the
current four region patches and where are they worn…If I’m on Jamboree
staff this year, would that be a time to wear the region patch? (David
Pottorff, WDL, Gulf Stream Council, FL)
If you're going to wear two National Scout Jamboree or World
Jamboree patches, the most current is worn centered above the right
pocket and the other is worn centered on the right pocket itself
(classically referred to as the "temporary patch position"—which would
better be called "at the wearer's discretion position," in my
not-so-humble opinion).
If while at a National Scout Jamboree you’re serving in a regional
capacity or representing your region, you may wear a regional patch on
your right sleeve; after the Jamboree ends, it’s supposed to be removed
because that identification is no longer necessary.
Dear Andy,
Where can I find out
what the responsibilities of a unit's Executive Officer include? (Brian
Libby, ASM, Crossroads of America Council, IN)
Units don't have executive officers; chartered organizations (i.e.,
sponsors) do. This term refers to a pastor if the sponsor's a church,
rabbi if a temple or synagogue, president if a club, post commander if a
veterans group, worshipful master if a Masonic lodge, and so on. The
executive officer need not be a registered member of the BSA.
Thanks! I know about
Chartered Organization Representative, and I think we have the
designations reversed in our Troop and need to fix this. (Brian Libby)
The Chartered Organization Representative (registration code: CR) is
indeed a registered member of the unit and is, in fact, the highest
authority with regard to all other adult volunteers associated with the
unit. This is the only unit-level position that may have a
dual-registration, and the sole dual-registration permitted by the BSA
is for a CR-CC (Committee Chair) combination.
Dear Andy,
How many merit badges
can you complete at the Jamboree if you’re prepared, and also if you’re
not prepared? How many days do they give you to work on merit badges?
(A.D., Star Scout, Circle Ten Council, TX)
There's a whole bunch you can go for... There's no exact number, because
each Scout's different and will have a different set of patrol and troop
responsibilities, and there's lots and lots of other stuff to do, too!
This is much bigger than a "merit badge fair"! My suggestion would be
to find unusual ones... stuff you wouldn't go for back at home, like
Railroading, and Textiles, and Weather, and stuff like that. My advice
(as a former Jamboree Scoutmaster and the dad of a Jamboree Scout who
racked up a bunch o’ merit badges when he was 13): Pick ones that you
can complete while you’re there and skip the ones where the best you’ll
wind up with is a “partial.” And, be sure to pick a "buddy" (maybe your
tent-mate?) and do 'em together—It's a lot more fun that way!
Go to
http://www.bsajamboree.org
and then go to “activities” and then “merit badge midway”... That’s
where the complete list of all merit badges being offered at the
Jamboree.
Dear Andy,
Is there a pamphlet
listing all activities and badges at the National Scout Jamboree this
year? (Richard Stone, Lincoln Heritage Council, KY)
For complete Jamboree
details, including a sign-in spot to receive monthly newsletters go to
http://www.bsajamboree.org
and also to
http://www.bsajamboree.org/NewsLetters.aspx
!
Dear Andy,
How does one go about
finding a Merit Badge Counselor? There are lots of subjects, and we’ve
read through the comprehensive requirements of each. Almost every one
says to consult with our Merit Badge Counselor. But, when my son asks,
answer he gets from his troop is "look at the list." What list? Where
is it? Can you help us? (David Grimley, Central New Jersey Council)
Your council's no
different from any other. Each council is supposed to develop and
maintain a list of qualified, registered Merit Badge Counselors, either
across the council or by district. These lists are supposed to be given
annually to every Scoutmaster, so that when a Scout wishes to work on
any particular merit badge, the Scoutmaster can give the Scout an
application (aka "Blue Card") and the names and contact information for
one or more local Merit Badge Counselors who handle the merit badge(s)
the Scout's interested in. If the Scoutmaster of your son's troop
doesn't have this list, start by contacting the chair of your district's
advancement committee and ask for one. If it turns out that the list is
maintained on a council-wide basis, then track down and ask the chair of
the council advancement committee. Or, just call your local council
service center and ask a staffer there.
Hello Andy,
I’m going to be a
"Camp Commissioner" at my council’s camp this summer. I’m still
eligible to be an active Venturer, and that’s the uniform I’ll be
wearing. I have some questions about it… First, as a staffer for my
council, do I wear silver shoulder loops? Also, are there any official
BSA badges that would identify me as a Firefighter/EMT? In the same
regard, may I wear a New York State Department of Health EMT-B patch?
Does being a New York State Certified Emergency Medical Technician
qualify me for any badges you’re aware of? What about being a NY State
Certified Firefighter? Lastly, I plan to earn the Venturing Ranger
Award, and I’m wondering what advantages would this might give me in the
future? (D.J.W.)
Yes, get yourself a Venturing uniform (make it complete, with shirt,
shorts or pants, belt, socks—the whole enchilada!—to look sharp).
As for badges, you can wear any that are BSA-authorized, including Camp
Staff (No.18144) on your left sleeve (below the council shoulder patch),
silver shoulder loops (you're employed by the council), and the square
knots for Arrow of Light and/or Eagle Scout, if you've earned either or
both of these, immediately above your left pocket. You can also wear
the World Crest centered horizontally and vertically above your left
pocket (including the new Centennial "donut"). If you're an OA member,
you can wear the lodge flap on your right pocket's flap. As for the
others that you've asked about, there's really no place for them except
to pick the one that means the most to you, or is the most prestigious,
and place it, centered, on your right pocket (while it's not entirely
Kosher, I doubt that anyone will question it, especially if you look
sharp and carry yourself sharply—remember your "Command Presence"
Training!).
Going for the Ranger Award is definitely worth the challenge! By all
means, check it out and, if you think you're up to it, GO FOR IT! Get
the Ranger Award and you’re practically ready to go for Smoke Jumper!
Hi Andy,
This is going to
sound like a silly question, but I have to ask regarding the definition
of “routine labor” in regards to Eagle Scout Leadership Service
Projects. I’d imagine that something like washing dishes or shoveling
snow would be considered routine and therefore ineligible, but what
about maintenance? Specifically, what if a Scout wanted to do a project
such as painting a women's and children's shelter, or rehabbing or
repairing a playground for an organization that couldn’t afford to do
so? I know of a Scout who’d like to build a new trail for a nature
center, but the council advancement committee rejected his project plan
because the trail he’d planned to build new would intersect an existing
trail, and so the advancement chair considered it "routine maintenance"
because even though a new trail would be constructed, it would include
rehabbing that portion of the older trail, which it would cross. Any
thoughts? (Rob Richmond)
According to the BSA,
"routine labor" would typically include raking leaves, cleaning out rain
gutters, picking up trash, clearing an area of snow—in short, something
that must routinely be done again and again and has neither a short-term
end nor long-term benefit.
"Maintenance" and "routine" must be separated from "unique
refurbishing." If we're talking about something that needs, for
instance, repainting seasonally or perhaps even annually, then it would
probably be considered "routine" and not qualify. If, however, what's
planned to be painted hasn't been painted-as-rehabilitation for five or
ten years, perhaps, and is unlikely to be painted again for another
considerable period of years, then it would hardly be considered
"routine."
So, in the specific scenario you mention, building a brand-new trail
where there was none before certainly doesn't appear to be either
"routine" or in the "maintenance" category and, depending on its overall
scope (i.e., is it a few feet long or of considerable length?), would
likely constitute a viable Eagle-level service project. If the hang-up
is that this new trail crosses an existing trail, one might argue that
the rehabilitation of the place where the two trails cross would be an
obvious upgrade of an older trail and would make sense to do in the
overall scheme of things. Or, if this is a true sticking-point, then
the Scout might need to take the position that the old trail won't be
disturbed, so as to focus thinking on the larger goal of building an
entirely new trail.
Although this second
option would likely meet the apparent criteria of the advancement chair,
as you’ve described it to me, it would be a pity, I’d think, to leave an
older trail unattended while focusing only on the new work. But,
stranger things have happened, and adjusting the plan to meet the
idiosyncrasy of that final signatory seems the most expedient way to go.
Hi Andy,
Our Webelos parents
are split on how we should handle the awarding of the Webelos badge when
our boys earn it. Some are used to the way the Tiger, Wolf, and Bear
programs have been historically run in our pack, where all the Cubs
receive their respective badges at the February Blue & Gold Banquet.
They’re thinking that we should just wait until all the Webelos earn the
three activity badges required (Fitness, Citizen, and one optional) and
then give them all three badges at the same time, regardless of how many
other activity badges they may have earned up to that point. On the
other side of the coin, some parents, like myself, feel that we should
use the Webelos program to get the boys used to how Boy Scouts will be,
in which the boys pick their individual pace and what badges they choose
to achieve and receive their Webelos badge as they earn it, to begin to
get them used to the individual pace and achievement pattern present in
Boy Scout advancement. We also feel that doing it this way will help
our sons begin to learn individual responsibility, goal-setting, and
goal achievement. Your thoughts? (Daryl Powers, Circle Ten Council, TX)
Your pack parents, and maybe some of your pack volunteers, too, need to
reacquaint themselves with the standard procedure for the presentation
of ranks, arrow points, etc., earned by the Tiger Cubs, Cub Scouts, and
Webelos Scouts in your pack, as described in the Cub Scout Leader
Book and in the Cub Scout Leader training syllabus. This will be
the best way for them to discover that all such accomplishments are to
be presented as soon as possible after having been earned, regardless of
whether just one was earned or several or many boys earned them
concurrently. Moreover, they'll learn that such achievements and
electives are absolutely not to be held back, for any reason—not so
other boys can "catch up" or for some special event (like a B&G), but
are to be presented to the boys at the very soonest available pack
meeting. This is the BSA mandate for the Cub Scout advancement process,
and it's not to be meddled with.
For your pack, this will ultimately mean that this well-intentioned but
misguided practice of holding back Cub awards till the B&G needs to be
thrown out the window, and the immediate (or near-immediate)
presentation of Webelos badges, activity badges, etc. are to likewise be
presented as soon as they're earned. This applies to all advancement
areas, including belt loops and pins, the Cub Scout Outdoor Achievement
Awards, Summertime Pack Awards, and whatever else the boys in your pack
earn.
Along this learning curve, these parents and parent-leaders will come to
understand that packs don’t have the authority to deviate from BSA
advancement processes and policies, nor is this area subject to
discussion, debate, or anyone's particular opinion. This means that
self-correction needs to happen as fast as possible.
(BTW, When it's time for your Webelos to graduate, look for troops that
have Boy Scouts who earn Eagle by age 13, 14, 15, or possibly 16, and if
you find a troop in which most Eagles are earned by 17 year-olds or
virtual 18 year-olds, steer clear, because they're likely doing the same
thing to their Scouts that you're presently doing to your Cubs!)
Dear Andy,
Despite being an
Eagle Scout himself, and Wood Badge trained, no less, our troop’s
Scoutmaster and, in turn, the Chartered Organization Representative are
very rogue in their application of BSA policies. As a result, the troop
and its Scouts are penalized. For example, the Scoutmaster has
instituted a “troop policy” whereby unless a Scout is First Class rank,
he can’t go for First Aid merit badge. The power the Scoutmaster brings
to this policy is his position not only as the Merit Badge Counselor but
also his status as a registered MRT and Trainer for the State Police.
Most adults associated with the troop don’t challenge these credentials,
but the Scouts are wondering what’s going on, and I’m not crazy about
this whole approach, which is a sort of “my way or highway.” This same
Scoutmaster will dissuade Scouts from seeking MBCs other than himself,
including setting up taboos while at summer camp. He claims that, with
him, Scouts will get “higher quality” learning. In the area of youth
leadership, rather than the troop holding elections, this Scoutmaster
quite literally conscripts Scouts for whatever positions he wants
filled.
This troop used to
have elections, till this current gentleman because Scoutmaster, but
shortly thereafter a lot of the older Scouts left, and, when we asked
why, the answers were all the same: This Scoutmaster is overly demanding
and demeaning as well. But now he uses these losses as part of his
excuses for appointments (others include “they’re too young,” “they show
no responsibility,” and (my personal favorite) “we don’t want any
popularity contests in this troop!”
The troop used to have
a PLC, but that’s gone away, too. The Scoutmaster picks all outings
now, because, as he puts it, “I’m not giving up my weekend so they can
play cards or tag! They’ll work on requirements or merit badges!” He’s
asked the committee for another troop trailer, to fit all the patrol
equipment that he’s mandated they bring, while the older Scouts want to
ditch all that heavy equipment and do some real backpack camping! Then,
to raise money for this trailer he wants, he’s insisting that the
committee come up with fund-raisers. I forced a compromise with him to
get a list to the PLC of ideas for them to pick from (I watched a lot of
older Scouts leave due to endless required fundraisers) so that they’d
at least have some ownership in what they do for fundraisers, but it was
painful and ultimately pointless when the Scouts didn’t choose exactly
what the Scoutmaster wanted.
I wouldn’t be so
concerned, except that I hear it from the SPL that everyone (including
the ASMs) breathes easier when this Scoutmaster isn’t around. I’ve also
heard from the parents of former Scouts that his demands on Scout
positions made them switch to the Venturing crew (while I’m glad they
stayed in Scouting, I don’t like the idea that they left the Troop
because of our inadequacies.) I’m afraid our Scoutmaster’s ego won’t
let him see that. When I am firm with him, he tries to intimidate or
resorts to something akin to malicious compliance. He has, in my
opinion, taken a lot of the fun out of the Troop. If the fun goes, then
the Scouts will as well. So I work to help the Scouts (and adults) keep
the fun in the Troop.
I’m currently
Committee Chair. Recognizing that achieving troop success while
operating within the policies of the BSA will take some time, I am
trying to keep a positive attitude with him and help him help the troop.
Long and short of
it, “control” seems to be paramount to him. He also seems to have the
ear of the Chartered Organization Representative, who as a result turns
a blind eye. What I’m looking for is some advice and guidance. Yes,
I’ve read and continue to read the BSA literature, which just leads me
to more examples that he doesn’t comply with. I’d appreciate any other
literature you recommend. While I’m no stranger to leadership, I must
say I find dealing with a troublesome teenager easier than dealing with
this gentleman! Can you recommend anything that might help return this
troop to its happier days? (Name & Council Withheld)
Unfortunately, your troop’s situation isn’t unique, and other folks need
to know that can and must stand up to tyrants like this, or pull their
sons out of this sort of maverick troop.
The bottom line: This
isn't a troop; it's a Gestapo, and it doesn't have a Scoutmaster; it has
a Commandant. I assume that “MRT” stands for Medical Response Team
(member), but he’s sure coming across more like “MR. T.” if you get my
drift.
Everything you've described to me is wrong... Not in my "illustrious
opinion" are these things wrong; they're wrong because they violate BSA
national policies and national standards.
Here are a few...
Scouts can earn any merit badge at any time, regardless of rank, age, or
mental or physical condition, and no Scoutmaster or other leader is
permitted to hold a Scout back from seeking the merit badge the Scout
has selected.
For merit badges, Scouts can go to whichever Merit Badge Counselor they
choose; they are not required to go to one that they don't wish to.
Patrol Leaders and the troop's Senior Patrol Leader are all elected
positions; the BSA makes no provision whatsoever for this to be done any
other way and this is not subject to anyone's opinion or "discovery" of
a "better way." (Read my column titled, "Are We Really That Smart.")
Certain positions are appointed—by the Scouts. Assistant Patrol
Leaders, for example, are chosen by their own Patrol Leaders. Assistant
Senior Patrol Leaders are appointed by the Senior Patrol Leader. And so
on, including Scribe, Quartermaster, etc. The Scoutmaster has an
advisory role in these appointments but he absolutely has no authority
to make these appointments himself.
Camping is where Scouts use and practice the skills they've learned in
their troop meetings. Camp-outs are filled with fun, in the form of
day-hikes, exploring, tracking, flora identification, inter-patrol games
(“Capture The Flag” comes to mind) and contests, patrol cooking and
campsite maintenance, and so forth—this is called "Scouting in Action."
Outdoor experiences are certainly not for playing electronic games or
TMing on cell phones, but they're not for "working on merit badges"
either! We’re working to create future citizens here; not blindly
obeying grunts.
Scouts "work on merit badges" with their Counselors; not with the
Scoutmaster.
The Scoutmaster's primary responsibility is to guide, train, and coach
the youth leaders of the troop; it's not to "rescue" them or do their
work for them when they slip up, because slip-ups are learning
opportunities. Moreover, Scouts don't get "graded" on how well they did
in leadership; they're coached on-the-job so that they succeed.
As Committee Chair, you need to show the Chartered Organization
Representative just how off-the-mark this gentleman is. It's all in the
BSA literature, from the Scoutmaster Handbook to the 2010 Boy
Scout Requirements book—read the key sections and chapters of these,
so that you know you're on solid ground and that what I've just stated
is confirmed as BSA standards and is absolutely not my "opinion." (I'm
not going to give you specific page numbers, because you need to do more
extensive reading than that.) Having done your "homework," and having
had a heart-to-heart with the COR, your next step—as a team—is to speak
with this gentleman and tell him that these changes must be made
immediately, and that he is to sign up for and take position-specific
training right now. If he's as belligerent as you indicate, he'll
refuse. At that point, you have only two options: Allow these
violations to continue unchecked, or fire him on the spot. I believe
you need to be prepared to carry out the second option.
If you’re unable to gain the COR’s support, then you have two options:
Allow your son and his friends to be run over by this unmanageable and
wrong-headed steamroller, or go find a troop that runs the Scouting
program the way it's intended to be run and transfer him and as many of
his friends as possible into it, as fast as you can.
(BTW, In my experience, "trailers" are in the "nice to have" category
but are hardly essential. Most gear a patrol needs (a few tents, some
cooking gear) will fit nicely in the back of an SUV or the trunk of a
sedan. (Please tell me that at least this troop does camp by patrols!)
Dear Andy,
At a recent ceremony
at our council’s camp, I noticed some Scouts and Scouters wearing
"cords" on their uniforms that were similar to Den Chief cords, but much
thicker, more formal-looking, and part of them actually attached to the
button on the front of their shirts. I have been looking around on the
Web, but can't find any information on these. Do you know what these
represent? (Roger Burcroff, Great Lakes Council, MI)
Give your home council a
ring… These certainly aren’t anything ever described in the BSA’s
Insignia Guide, so I’m guessing they’re some local adaptation or
adoption of an “aiguillette,” for which you’ll find a detailed
description in Wikipedia, among other places. Aiguillettes typically
denote an honor; not a rank.
Hello Andy,
I’ve been a
Scoutmaster for six years and, for the past year, I’ve been reading your
columns. Your answers have both corrected and guided me, and I’ve even
cut and pasted many of your comments into emails for our troop
committee, as a learning aide for us all. Now, I have a question of my
own…
For the Camping
merit badge 20 days/nights requirement, if a Scout has logged 7 of these
over two years of summer camp, can he use the remainder of summer camp
days/nights if he pitches a tent with a buddy and sleeps in it while at
camp? So far, if a Scout at summer camp brought along a tent or tarp and
set it up and slept in it, the Camping Merit Badge Counselor accepted
this as OK. This particular MBC has long experience. He asks
questions, checks camping logs, and is generally very good with the
Scouts. I’m simply wondering if this is really OK or not. (Al Edelman,
Minsi Trails Council, PA)
If I were the MBC for Camping, I'm sure I'd say OK, too! There's
nothing in the requirements that says this can't be done or that it's
somehow not appropriate, and if a Scout has the initiative to do this,
then, hey, we're talking about a couple o' nights for a merit badge
here—we're not talking about qualifying to assault Everest! In fact, if
you think about it, "under the stars" works, too, so any Scout who does
pitch a tent is topping it off very nicely.
If your responsibility is keeping the camping log for each Scout, I'd
sure say you're on safe ground listing any nights like these as
self-pitched tent or under the stars camping.
The only additional thought I might have is this: If a Scout needs to
use two years of summer camp nights to complete the required 20 for this
merit badge, are we sure he's doing enough camping with his troop, or do
we need to encourage him to get out there a bit more?
Dear Andy,
I’m Scoutmaster of a new troop with only five Scouts, but lots of
parents involved—more parents than Scouts, in fact. In particular, we
have a Tenderfoot Scout who just crossed over about four months ago and
is still shy of his 11th birthday, and his
mother is already pushing him to earn Eagle by the time he’s 13. To
make this happen she’s doing lots of things for him, instead of stepping
back so he can do for himself, right down to such things as actually
putting on his socks and shoes in front of the other Scouts and going
into the bathroom with him. She also goes behind my back and changes
the directions, so the Scouts don't know what to do, and she accuses the
other Scouts of things they haven’t done, and she changes the schedule
to benefit her own son against the majority rule vote. The troop’s two
older Scouts are getting frustrated because this parent disciplines them
(all the while refusing to listen to me when I tell her not to do this)
for no reason, due to jealousy or trying to slow them down so her son to
catch up (they’ve been in the troop since its beginning a year ago).
These two Scouts also have brothers in the program and I'm trying to
balance the "fairness" syndrome against the possibility of losing the
others in the troop. This young Scout does much better when neither of
his parents is around—When they’re not hovering over him, he doesn't
stammer or stutter or falter when speaking, which he does whenever
they’re present. Do you have any ideas that might help us deal with
this? (Name & Council Withheld)
First, you need to determine if this is a “special needs boy” whose
mother is attempting to protect. If this is the case, then you all need
to work out a way to reduce the hovering yet still protect the boy. If
this isn’t the case—and I’m betting dollars to donuts it’s not—then it
sounds to me like a sever case of "Webelos 3," or far worse! This
parent needs to be removed from all troop activities, and I’m going to
describe how to do this without singling her out or immediately going
nose-to-nose with her; however, if this happens, then somebody’s going
to need to grow a spine and tell her straightaway that it’s either hands
off or out, period.
But the larger picture is
this: If this troop is going to survive at all, it's actually going to
need a lot less parental involvement across the board than it has now...
a Boy Scout troop is absolutely NOT a Cub Scout den but with tan
shirts! Nor is it a “parent-and-son” organization. As any
self-respecting Boy Scout will tell you, quoting from the movie, “The
Treasure Of The Sierra Madre,” WE DON’ NEED NO STINKIN’ PARENTS!
Adults on hikes and
camp-outs need to be limited to two: The Scoutmaster and just one more
adult of his choice (ideally, an Assistant Scoutmaster), and that's it.
All other parents can do the driving, including drop-offs and pick-ups,
but as for what happens in-between, they go home and stay there. To do
this, you need a parent orientation meeting, at which every parent is
brought up to date on how this troop will operate from now on. (No
"excuses" need be made for any prior ways of handling things—this is
simply the way it's going to be from now on.)
Then, schedule a simple hike...one of a few miles...out to an
interesting location, sack lunch, and return. Advise the driving
parents to bring their sons to the departure location by a specified
time, drop their sons, and wait in their cars till everyone departs. Be
sure to stress that all Scouts and trip leaders will be in full and
complete uniform. If this happens smoothly, you're on your way. If,
however, you have one or more parents who wish to tag along, then it's
time to firmly state that this isn't the ways it's going to be: The only
two adults have already been selected and they're the SM and ASM and
there will be no exceptions. At this point, the reasonable parent will
get back in his or her car. But you're waiting for the "unreasonable"
parent, who says something along the line of, "I heard what you said and
I'm coming, anyway." To this, the united front taken by the SM and ASM
is this: "It will be the two of us and only the two of us, and if
parents can't abide by this even though it's already been made perfectly
clear, then the hike's canceled and all Scouts can return to their
parents' cars. Have a nice day."
Do not cave in; do not get buffaloed; do not succumb to "just this
once;" do not be lenient because a parent has his or her son's epi-pen
or other medications--The answer is the SM and ASM only, or there's no
hike. End of story. Take your own sons, get in your respective cars,
and go home. Next hike: Same thing. Keep doing this till every parent
gets the message.
What will happen is that the other parents will self-discipline, which
is what you want. This way, you're not "the cop" or "the bad guy"—You
are simply enforcing what is now the new troop policy on hiking and
camping. Let that parents and their sons do the heavy lifting here.
Same with troop meetings... You have five Scouts, so that's one Senior
Patrol Leader who runs the meetings and two patrols of two Scouts each.
Except for the Scoutmaster and maybe an ASM, all other adults find
another room to congregate in, no exceptions. In fact, make it
understood among all parents that their role is to be wallpaper at most
and they are absolutely not to engage in conversation or otherwise with
any Scout while the troop meeting is going on. Again, no exceptions for
any reason.
If this or any other "problem parent" continues to be a problem, it's
the responsibility of the Committee Chair to take that person aside and
tell 'em clearly and unequivocally that they do not belong in any troop
meetings unless specifically invited by the Scoutmaster, and the
Scoutmaster has not made that invitation, so please go to the other room
(or leave, and come back at the end of the troop meeting).
Yes, you need to make these things stick, or you are indeed doomed and
will shortly have no troop at all. Be polite, but be absolutely firm.
Dear Andy,
I’m very disappointed
in your response to the outrage over the new Cub Scout video game belt
loop. The fact is that video games are a part of life now—They’ve been
shown to improve hand-eye coordination and teach problem-solving skills.
In fact the U.S. Army uses video games as a tool for training and
rehabilitation. But even if these facts weren’t the case, the
requirements for the belt loop show that what they’re teaching is
responsibility; not sitting on your butt. I’ll bet that that Eagle Scout
didn’t have any GPS when he was coming up through the ranks either, or a
computer for that matter. So, just because it’s new or different
doesn’t mean our sons (and us parents too) can’t learn valuable lessons
from it. I, for one, am glad there’s a belt loop for this. (Jamie
Richardson)
All of your points are
good ones, and I respect them. However, I chose not to bring these to
bear because that writer was as adamantly opposed to video games as you
are in favor of them, and it's not my mission to "convert" his thinking
but, rather, to de-fuse the situation, which I believe I accomplished.
I'll save the “preaching” for someone a tad more open to new thinking!
Dear Andy,
Is a troop committee
permitted to determine that Scouts who rarely attend meetings,
activities, and/or service projects are not permitted to go to summer
camp? These boys tend to be discipline problems at camp and have said
that the only reason they’re Scouts is so they can go to camp. (Martha
Jarris, Dan Beard Council, OH)
“I want to be a Boy Scout so I can go to camp.” Wow! Isn’t that
exactly what we want to hear?! No boy in his right mind is going to
tell you he wants to be a Boy Scout so you can improve his character and
make a better future citizen of him!
I can't, for the life of
me, understand why we'd want to deny any Scout the opportunity to attend
summer camp with his troop! This is the very experience we want our
sons to have, and I can’t think of a single rationale for denying this
that makes any sense. If the troop your son is in actually makes these
sorts of anti-Scouting decisions, then it's time to go shopping for a
troop that gets it right, so your son can transfer over and start having
the fun this program's supposed to be delivering!
Dear Andy,
Our troop has
followed the practice that once a Scout passes his board of review for a
rank advancement, he’s acknowledged at the very next troop meeting and
given his rank badge, and then, at the next Court of Honor, he’s again
recognized, and given his rank card (our Courts of Honor are held every
three months).
Recently we had a
Scout pass his board of review for Life Scout rank, but he wasn’t at the
next troop, so he didn’t get recognized or receive his Life Scout badge,
and the next meeting after that was a Court of Honor. Two days before
that ceremony, his parents informed us that he wouldn’t be able to
attend. His name and new rank were printed in the program and we
formally recognized him even though he wasn’t there, and at the troop
meeting immediately following, we put his badge and card in his troop
mail box. Three months passed, and just before the next Court of Honor
this Scout’s father asked the troop committee if his son could be
recognized at this time; however, the programs had already been printed
(his son was not on the program, since he was listed in the prior
program), and we’re not quite sure what to do. When a Scout misses
troop meetings and Courts of Honor like this, are we obligated to keep
carrying his advancement recognition forward till he shows up? (Phyllis
Lozano, CC, San Francisco Bay Area Council, CA)
This is obviously a judgment call—the BSA has no “policy” for something
like this. On the basis of having had legitimate reasons for not being
able to attend the earlier meetings and court of honor, yes, it's always
a nice idea to recognize the Scout. It does no harm and helps reinforce
the accomplishment. This doesn't have to be elaborate...just a quick
acknowledgment and a handshake from the Scoutmaster, and move on. If,
however, no reason for such absences is offered, then it’s time to sit
down with the Scout and find out what’s going on. Most boys of Scout
age are parent-dependent when it comes to getting to troop meetings and
other events, so it may be necessary to counsel the parents on the need
for their so to show up even when it’s not for earning a new rank.
Hey Andy,
For the Camping merit
badge requirement of 20 days/nights, it says, “You may use a week of
long-term camp toward this requirement.” As a Counselor, I’ve
interpreted this to mean no more than 7 days at a given camp, and
allowed multiple multi-night trips to be used such as our council’s NYLT
course, and summer camp. But I had a Scoutmaster tell me that I can only
allow one campout of more than one day/night, and that the rest had to
be one-night overnighters. I’d like some help on this. I thought this
stuff had gone away with the new revision. (Mike Holmes, ASM & MBC, Utah
National Parks Council)
Let's first understand that all 20 days and nights can be short-term
camp-outs in a tent the Scout has pitched or under the stars; that
long-term camping of any length isn't in any way mandatory. With that
understanding, then let's proceed to the "allowance" the BSA gives to
Scouts, by permitting up to 7 days and nights at a long-term camp (i.e.,
one that typically already has tents set up). Whether those 7 days and
nights are consecutive or not, or at the same camp or different camps,
is actually irrelevant. Is this clear now, or has this made things
worse?
Worse, I think. Here’s the situation: I have a Scout ready for his
Camping merit badge—his 20 days/nights include a 3 day/night trek camp,
a 6 day/night training camp (long-term camp with tents set up), and a 6
day/nights troop-based summer camp-out using personal tents. My math
says this totals 15 days/nights, or can only one of the week-long camps
count as the “long-term” week? (Mike)
OK, let's break this down...
- 3 d/n on trek: OK.
- 6 d/n on troop
camp-out (not "long-term” council camp variety): OK.
- 6 d/n at set-up (i.e.
"long-term") council camp: OK.
Therefore…
- 5 d/n remain, all of
which must be in a tent the Scout pitches or under the stars, and
Scouting-related; however, whether these are single or multiple nights
is absolutely irrelevant.
Counselor-to-Counselor, I think you're on safe ground here (unless I'm
missing something).
Dear Andy,
Big THANKS for your
columns! It takes a lot of effort, I'm sure, but a lot of folks,
including me, get a lot of ideas that help the units, and Scouts, that
we serve. (Jim Kittrell, Blue Ridge Council, SC)
A note like yours is my only—and very best!—paycheck! Thanks!
Happy Scouting!
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