Ask Andy - May 2006
Dear
Andy,
In
your mid-March column, Sharon from the Greater Alabama Council
asked about the BSA Emergency
Preparedness Award, and said that her local American Red Cross didn’t
offer the Basic Aid Training (BAT) Course. I suspect that that chapter
also doesn’t offer the First Aid for Children Today (FACT) course, which
Tiger Cubs can used to satisfy part of the requirements for the
Emergency Preparedness Award. The good news is that any adult can teach
these two courses: Just talk to your local chapter, and then complete a
"Leader Agreement" (this also involves learning about what paperwork is
needed at the completion of the course, and the administrative fee that
the ARC will charge). Any adult who wants to do this can order
the necessary materials online at
www.shopstaywell.com (click on the First Aid/CPR/AED tab near the top
of the page). You’d need to order the Instructor's Manual and a set of
participants’ books (these come in a pack of 25—just save the extras for
the next round of kids!). The video, "Rescue Kids," isn’t needed for
the BAT course. Also, there’s a revision to the Instructor's Manual
that can be found at
www.instructorscorner.org (after registering as a new user, click on the
First Aid/CPR/AED tab near the top of the page, find
Basic Aid Training (BAT) and click on it, and then check out
ECC 2000 Errata. Most small ARC chapters don’t realize
that these programs have changed, so that any pre-qualified adult can
teach these courses. By the way, the Red Cross has a program available
called "Together We Prepare." It’s a disaster preparedness course, lasts
about 90 minutes, and at level 1 class is intended for grades 1-5. This
course can also be taught by any pre-qualified adult.
I hope
this helps resolve some questions and helps Cub Scout leaders help bring
these programs to our youth. By the way, Boy Scouts can help teach
these courses to Cub Scouts or in their communities, and since the BAT
course is 6 to 12 hours, it could make a great service project for Star
or Life rank! Of course, adult supervision to insure the quality of the
program would be a vital part, but I would love to see our Boy Scouts
helping others to "Be Prepared"!
If anyone needs more information or help on this or other Red Cross
Programs, they can contact me at
tburke57@sbcglobal.net -- In the “subject” line, just
say “Scouts” or “Red Cross,” so I don't accidentally mistake it for
spam. (Tom Burke, Webelos Den Leader/Venturing Associate Advisor, and
Health and Safety Services Administrator for the Mexico, MO Red Cross
Chapter)
Thanks
for the excellent follow-up and suggestions! When Scouters like you
help others through this modest little column, you make my day!
Dear
Andy,
To reinforce your answer
(last month) about the Totin’ Chip and Firem’n Chit "flaps," the only
semi-official statement on these by the BSA is found in small print in
two places in the retail catalog, stating these are not uniform patches,
but should be worn on a patch vest, or placed on a patch blanket. (I
also agree that these patches are a dumb idea.) (Steve Hanson, UC &
Troop Chaplain, Capitol Area Council, TX)
I
checked… You've got sharp eyes! Thanks!
Dear
Andy,
In an
earlier column of yours, Michael Brown mentioned keeping a supply of
rank pins for immediate recognition, and expressly noted the need to
turn in the advancement forms, both to replenish their supply of
insignia and to insure that their council receives notice of the Scouts
advancing. This was the main point of the objections to stocking, "rat
holing", or any other name for the practice of keeping a supply of rank
insignia or pins to give to the Scout. In many cases, although the
Scout was presented with his rank pin, the notice of his progress never
made it to council, which causes lots of trouble later, like when Freddy
First Class's Advancement Report, showing that he advanced to Star, hits
the council office, but they have no idea when he made First Class so
they can't tell if he has the tenure in the rank of First Class, or has
even earned First Class, to be eligible for the Star rank. This may be
no big thing in Troop 123, Anytown, USA, as long as Freddy doesn’t
change troops, because everyone remembers how, on the night Freddy sat
for his First Class board of review, a wind storm struck, knocking trees
across the power lines, and the last part of the board was done by the
light of a Coleman lantern. But what often happens is that Freddy’s
family moves without filling out a Youth Transfer Form, and his
new Troop has no way of proving when he stood his Board of Review for
the First Class rank. In my own case, I've worked for three months
trying to track down and verify advancement records for Scouts in Troops
on US military bases—some of these Scouts have been in as many as three
and four troops, and their unit leaders have moved, too, so that
verifying advancements gets tough.
In my
opinion, every Scout and his parents should be handed a copy of the
Adult/Youth Transfer Form whenever they move, with duplicates kept by
the “old” Troop at least until their leaders are sure that the family’s
settled into their new home and Scout Troop. This prevents the panic
that occurs when it becomes obvious that the one box the movers lost is
the one with all of Freddy's Scouting gear, pictures, records, and
advancement cards! (Dave Loomis)
Terrific thoughts and suggestions – Thanks for your loyal reading, and
writing!
Dear
Andy,
About that Leave No Trace question in Mid-April, another place to look
for projects is:
www.lnt.org/training/Scouts/BSA_Project_List.pdf. (Paul
Wengert, Tiger Cub DL, Pack 167, National Capitol Area Council, VA)
Thanks! Here’s another excellent resource, Scouters!
Dear
Andy,
Some
thoughts about some stuff in your Mid-April column…
On
wearing the OA and merit badge sashes at the same time: Right answer;
however, if a Scout is specifically representing the OA at a court of
honor, then it would be appropriate for him to wear the OA sash and not
a merit badge sash. Also, I think it needs to be emphasized that merit
badge sashes be “saved” for appropriate events such as courts of honor
(I see too many Scouts wearing them at inappropriate times, like Boy's
Life photo ops, Jamborees, etc).
On
Mother's Pins: Actually, National Supply has been making and selling
“mother ribbons” for the pins for a few years. They have two kinds: one
for Cub Scouts and one for Boy Scouts. I see several female Scouters
wear these pinned to their uniforms. Personally, I think they should
save them for courts of honor, and not wear them for everyday Scouting
events.
Boy
Scout Proud Parent Pin:
https://scoutnet.scouting.org/BSASupply/ItemDetail.aspx?ctlg=05NDC&ctgy=PRODUCTS&c2=GIFTS&C3=PINS&C4=&LV=3&item=00908
Cub
Scout Proud Parent Pin:
https://scoutnet.scouting.org/BSASupply/ItemDetail.aspx?ctlg=05NDC&ctgy=PRODUCTS&c2=GIFTS&C3=PINS&C4=&LV=3&item=00907
Michael Brown (Web Columnist)
Right
on! But now, take a look at the cover of the most recent Scout Stuff
catalog: Ouch! OA sashes for no apparent reason, and a merit badge sash
draped over a belt. It sure would be nice if, like they do for
cop/military movies and Tv shows, have a "technical consultant" at the
shoot, so that they get it right.
Yup,
you can buy a brag rag if you like, or just make one. (We Scouters sure
like to hang all sorts of stuff all over our uniforms, don't we!)
Dear
Andy,
Where can I find out how to place patches and required insignia on a
Scout leader shirt? (CheSeg5)
It's
in the BOY SCOUT HANDBOOK (emblems/patches on leaders' shirts go
in the same places as those for Scouts). Or, for even more
detail—everything you ever wanted to know about uniforms and badges—go
buy yourself a copy of the BSA book, INSIGNIA GUIDE – It's all
inside!
Dear Andy,
I'm
currently an Assistant Scoutmaster and I’m curious if I’m eligible to
receive the Scoutmaster's key once I meet the tenure requirements. (Ron
Shake, ASM, Troop 462, Cascade Pacific Council, Vancouver, WA)
You're
certainly eligible for the Boy Scout Leader's Training Award, but the
Scoutmaster's Key is for...you guessed it!...Scoutmasters!
Dear
Andy,
I
don't know if this is about an “answer,” or an opinion. Here’s the
situation: One of our Unit Commissioners has two Boy Scout sons. For a
recent Troop event, his sons were left out, but all the other Scouts
knew about it and got to participate. When this UC/Dad heard about what
had happened, he was upset, and he spoke up to the person in charge of
that event. But next, he was called down by the District Commissioner,
who told him that, as a Unit Commissioner, he was out of line. So is he
a PARENT or a COMMISSIONER? This is a sensitive situation and your
thoughts would be appreciated. (Percy Shackles, UC, Great River Council,
Sedalia, MO)
As far
as I’m concerned, one's PARENTING role ALWAYS comes first, and this
father had an obligation to his sons and every right to have a talk with
the person in charge of the event you refer to. Moreover, for a DC to
offer criticism of such an action is the thing that's out of line here,
based on what you've told me.
That
said, if this dad is the Unit Commissioner for the Troop his sons are
in, it would be a good idea to assign another Commissioner to that unit,
so that future controversies like this can be averted. But, if he’s not
this Troop’s UC, then there shouldn’t even be a question about his
standing up for his own sons, and shame on that District Commissioner!
Dear Andy,
I just
ran across your column for the first time tonight! I’m a
brand-new/pretty old Merit Badge Counselor, after having been out of
Scouting circles for about 25 years. I’m an Eagle with gold palm,
attended two world jamborees, Brotherhood OA and former Chapter Chief,
former Scoutmaster, etc, etc. Having been away from Scouting for that
long and only recently coming into contact again with Scouting has been
very rewarding, but I’m a little dismayed about how young the Scouts are
who are earning their Eagle rank nowadays. In my area, it’s very common
to see 13 year-old Eagles. It just seems that a 13 or even 14 year-olds
are just not “seasoned” yet with leadership abilities. Are 13 year-old
Eagles pretty common, nationally? (Dan Machado, Greater Yosemite
Council, Modesto, CA)
First
off, welcome back! I know at least some of the feelings you must be
having... It all seems the same, but it all seems a little different,
too. A quarter-century's a long time in anybody's book, and you'll want
to just settle in till your sea legs return. This'll happen pretty
soon, but not overnight. Now, to your concern, and question…
Ah,
yes, young Eagle Scouts. God bless 'em! I'd rather see a bunch of
young Eagles who are going to be setting examples for others in their
Troops for another four or five years that have a bunch who get their
Eagle tantamount to it being their 18th birthday present! Part of the
reason why Eagles may be getting younger may have to do with that, in
1988 (during your hiatus) the lower age restriction on becoming a Boy
Scout was adjusted to allow a boy to join either at age 11, or upon
completion of Fifth Grade regardless of age, or upon earning the Webelos
Arrow of Light award, regardless of age or grade; but then, in 2004,
this requirement was further clarified to set the minimum age at 10,
regardless of grade or rank. This means that nowadays, although Scouts
may work just as many years to achieve Eagle rank (three or four being
the norm), since they're starting on the “trail to Eagle” at an earlier
age, they're reaching their goal at an earlier age. For instance, in my
own era (which is some 50 years ago) 11 was the minimum age to be a Boy
Scout, period, so I earned Eagle at age 15 and my younger brother did at
age 14; whereas today our respective ages would likely have been 14 and
13 – which is pretty close to what you’re seeing!
Is
this so terrible? Personally I don't think so. Advancement is a
step-by-step process in which each completed requirement sets up the
Scout for the next requirement. This is, of course, an excellent
educational model. So, if a youth has indeed completed all of the steps
necessary to attain Eagle rank, then he's certainly deserving of it.
But what about "maturity" and "seasoning"? you might ask. To which
my response would be simple: If the Scout indeed completes all of the
requirements from Scout rank all the way to Eagle, this process itself
will have helped him mature, and will have seasoned him, or else he
wouldn't have been able to complete the path – He indeed may be young
chronologically, but certainly not in skills, knowledge, experience, and
accomplishments. And more power to him!
Dear Andy,
I’ve
recently learned through the USSSP website of the Cub Scout 75th
Anniversary Award. My question is this: At this late date, what’s the
"cut off” date, if any, for earning this? (James Hubbell, ADL, Pack 197,
Milwaukee County Council, WI)
I'm
sure sorry that your council and district didn't get the word out to you
all about this special award and the cool activities that go along with
it. In addition to the USSSP website, you can also check here for the
various awards and their requirements:
http://www.scouting.org/cubscouts/resources/13-536.pdf
Now as
to whether these are still available to be earned, I'm thinking that
your council's Scout Shop is going to hold the key... If they're still
selling them, then you may have a shot at earning them! Check with
them, and maybe with your District Executive, too!
Dear
Andy,
Does
the veteran unit bar refer to how many years a unit’s been
chartered, or how many years a unit’s been chartered by the same
sponsor? I’ve seen references to both being correct. (Amanda Short, DL,
Circle 10 Council,
Plano, TX)
Since
the "veteran bar" is associated with the unit (it's worn directly above
the unit numeral), it would seem logical that it pertains to the unit;
not the chartering organization. I've never seen a reference to this
being tied to the relationship with the chartering organization.
Dear Andy,
I’m
taking my kids to Mt. Vernon, where I’m told they’ll be able to earn a
badge, and maybe a pin, too. Do you know if there’s anything like this
in Arlington, VA, or Washington, DC? Or is there a list that lists the
opportunities like this that are available, or do you just have to get
lucky? For instance, I just discovered that the Phillies have a day
when Scouts can receive a patch for attending a game in full uniform.
(Cub Scout Mom, Pack 609, Western Los Angeles County Council, CA)
You're
gonna be lucky. Lots of touristy places you're gonna visit sell patches
in the gift shop. Buy 'em, then sew 'em on your Cub Scout's red "patch
vest" (not the uniform shirt)—That's were they're perfectly "legal."
Have a blast!
Dear Andy,
What
kind of process do you suggest for changing Scoutmasters in a Troop?
(Steve Morton, South Plains Council, Lubbock, TX)
The
process I'd suggest includes a large serving of thanks sprinkled with
some well-choreographed pomp and circumstance!
If
your Scoutmaster has identified, recruited, trained, and groomed his
replacement, perhaps over several years, then making this the final part
of a Troop Court of Honor is an appropriate venue for a
changing-of-the-guard. If pre-planned well, the Troop committee has
secured the Scoutmaster Award of Merit to present (if you haven't done
so already) to the outgoing Scoutmaster, to accompany perhaps a nice
wood-and-brass "Thank You" plaque from the Troop that states years of
service, or perhaps a meaningful photo signed by all of the Scouts, or
both! You might begin by having the current SM introduce the Troop and
parents to his successor and then the new SM and the committee make
their presentations to the outgoing SM, followed by "swearing in" the
new SM. This is a wonderful "Kodak moment," and this along with a
write-up should definitely be sent to the local newspaper!
A
couple of other nice touches might be to reach out to all known previous
SMs that the Troop has had over the years and invite them to attend as a
sort of "honor guard," and also to invite your Unit Commissioner,
perhaps to preside over this portion of the CoH as the Master of
Ceremonies. Or, how about inviting all those who earned Eagle during
this Scoutmaster's tenure?
Dear
Andy,
Recently, our Scoutmaster commented to our Senior Patrol Leader that our
Troop Committee is “getting too powerful.” This seems odd to me. Isn't
the Scoutmaster responsible to the Troop Committee? Our SM has a track
record of making decisions without discussing them with the other
leaders; in general, communication within our Troop is poor. What kind
of message can this be sending to the Scouts, if their Scoutmaster
doesn't recognize standard Troop structure? He seems to be on a power
trip, where all the focus is on him; not the Scouts or the Troop’s
program. Please help!! (Steve, Lincoln Heritage Council)
I
start to get real nervous when I start hearing things like "power" and
"reporting to" among a group of volunteers. The Troop
Committee-Scoutmaster relationship is much like a team, and all are on
the same team. Yes, the Scoutmaster is responsible to the committee for
the Troop program, which in turn is developed by the Scouts themselves
via the Patrol Leaders Council (which the SM advises, but does not
lead), and the committee is equally responsible to the SM and the Troop
as a whole to provide the backup and support needed to carry out that
Troop program. This is a situation of absolute interdependence—the
strongest of Scoutmasters can't deliver a quality Scouting program all
by himself, nor can a committee alone (i.e., without a SM) do this,
either.
Whoever is talking about "power" and "reporting to" needs to stop right
away, take a step back, and screw their head around the right way. The
other thing is that "complaints" move upward; not downward. For a SM to
"complain" downward to an SPL is the wrong direction. It tells me very
seriously that somebody doesn't "get it." This needs to be fixed
immediately, or your Troop's going to have some serious morale problems
very soon.
A
final thought... Analogies often are dangerous, because somebody always
wants to twist them in directions they weren't intended to go, but I'm
going to try, anyway. Think of the Troop's adult leaders as the flight
crew of a very large military plane. There's a pilot and copilot (the
Committee Chair and Scoutmaster, in that order), who together get the
plane off the ground and then steer it on its proper course. But they
do this by each having a separate set of responsibilities; not by
duplicating one another's efforts or getting in each other's way. Then
there's the crew, including a navigator, radio operator, and so on.
These people (your Troop committee) help the two on the flight deck get
the plane to its destination and back again. Again, a case of
inter-dependence: The pilot can't get there without the copilot and
crew, nor can the copilot without the pilot and crew, nor the crew
without both the pilot and copilot. But, when they all coordinate their
efforts, they get airborne and to their destination just fine!
Dear
Andy,
Our
Scoutmaster is comfortable
having only two adults on
campouts, but
some members of out Troop Committee aren’t. What should we do? I know
in the “Requirements for Trips and Outings” it says:
Two-deep leadership: Two registered adult leaders, or one registered
adult and a parent of a participating Scout, one of whom must be at
least 21 years of age or older, are required for all trips or outings.
Safety
rule of four: No fewer than four individuals (always with the minimum of
two adults) go on any
backcountry expedition or
campout. If an accident
occurs, one person stays with the injured, and two go for help.
Additional adult leadership requirements must reflect an awareness of
such factors as size and skill level of the group, anticipated
environmental conditions, and overall degree of challenge.
What
we on the Troop Committee are concerned about is what happens if there’s
an accident? This would set up a situation where one adult would take
out the injured while just one would be responsible for all the rest.
Plus, if by chance there’s another injury, what can that last, single
adult do? He can't take the rest of the boys with him; he can’t leave
them.
Are we
being overly safety-concerned, or are we
living the Boy Scout Motto, "Be Prepared"? Is there a general rule on
the ratio of adults to Scouts? (Troop Committee Member, Connecticut Yankee Council)
Your
quotations of the BSA policies are accurate. These were designed to
define the absolute minimum number of adult leaders required, in order
to accommodate small Troops/groups of Scouts. However, good sense says
when there are additional adults interested in providing leadership at a
Troop outdoor event, unless their intention is to start "leading" the
Scouts (like great big patrol leaders), a Scoutmaster would be one
gosh-darned fool to resist this. In addition to providing additional
and often needed oversight, and backup in the event of emergency, adult
fellowship and camaraderie need to be factored in, as well. Camping is
invariably a bonding experience. It's a place where the Troop's parents
can truly get to know one another in an unvarnished environment. It's
where bonds of long-term friendships are forged. And, it's where the
Troop's next Scoutmaster will emerge from. So, no, you're not being
overly concerned, and as you can see this goes well beyond the idea of
being prepared. This is where the future of this Troop, in adult
leadership, will be cultivated. Start adding parents to the trip at
your very next opportunity – But first, get your Scoutmaster to see the
big picture.
Dear Andy,
I’m the Merit Badge
Coordinator for our Troop, and also a counselor. Recently, we scheduled
a "CPR Night,” complete with “Annie’s” and full discussions of the five
most common signs of a heart attack, the actions to take when someone
shows signs of a heart attack, the conditions that must exist before
performing cardiopulmonary resuscitation (CPR) on a person and how to
recognize such conditions, and actual CPR steps. Each Scout
demonstrated correct CPR technique for at least three minutes. At the
end of the evening, I issued a "certificate," signed by the
Scoutmaster (since some of our boys are moving), stating that the
Scouts had thus completed the CPR requirements for: First Class rank
and these merit badges: First Aid, Swimming, Lifesaving, Rowing,
Waterskiing, and Whitewater. But then I was told by our advancement
person that it’s not possible to satisfy all these requirements (even if
they’re identical), having them apply to several merit badges or rank
advancement at the same time. I was told that this would amount to
"double dipping;" that the requirements must be fulfilled each time,
separately. Is there an official policy on this? (Marianne Starr,
Merit Badge Coordinator, Troop 137, Trans-Atlantic Council, Mannheim,
Germany)
Your question's a good one. And the answer has more
to do with educational philosophy than with "policy."
Let's take a step back for a moment... The BSA
advancement plan is about gaining new knowledge and learning new
skills. Each time a Scout completes a requirement, under the tutelage
of an experienced instructor, counselor, etc., he adds to or improves
upon this knowledge/skill base. Advancement is, therefore, designed to
be a series of progressive steps. The approach you've taken, I'm sure
with the best of intentions, is more along the lines of "one size fits
all." I can understand your desire to do this... Why go through the
repetition? Why have to do again what one already knows? Why no knock
the whole thing off all at once? And so on. And it's certainly OK to
"over-teach"—This adds to a Scout's knowledge/skill base. But this
isn't what the advancement plan's purpose is. It's about taking bigger
and bigger steps, each time.
Now I don't know which of the merit badges you've
mentioned is the one you were actually counseling, but it looks like it
may have been Lifesaving.
So, just as you had your Scouts actually get in the water and show their
swimming capabilities, you would want them to demonstrate their
knowledge of CPR by discussing and demonstrating various aspects
pertaining to this skill. In the process of doing this, you're going to
impart wisdom that's based on your own experience, and this is a good
thing. Then, when one or more of these same Scouts sits down with a
counselor for, let's say, First Aid, that counselor will impart some
further insights—different from your own because he or she will have had
a different set of personal experiences from yours. This is how Scouts
pick up nuances and shadings, and add to their own knowledge/skill
bases—Not by racking up a "universal requirement" but by interacting
with and learning from a variety of experienced people.
Now the "mechanics" of your situation are fairly
simple: If a Scout has completed the CPR requirement for First Class
rank, then his Scoutmaster can initial and date that Scout's Handbook,
and this is all the evidence needed if he should move to a new
Troop. For those who complete the requirement for your own merit badge,
you'll simply record that on the merit badge application ("blue
card"). Then, for a merit badge that you don't counsel, that counselor
will simply ask the Scout to complete the CPR requirement and, with his
prior experience, that will be a quick and easy step.
To be even more specific, I'm a counselor for
Swimming, and occasionally I'm met by a Scout who hands me a 99% signed
blue card, showing that he's done everything except perhaps one of the
"dry land" requirements (like 1 or 10). Since mine will be the final
signature, I will absolutely get this Scout in the water, where he can
quickly demonstrate to me that he possesses the skills required by this
merit badge. No, I certainly don't make a Scout do everything, and I
don't demand that he "start from scratch," as if he'd never done
anything. But I use this as an opportunity to not only assess his
in-water abilities but--most important--I teach him a few new things
that he didn't know before he met me, thereby adding to his skills and
knowledge!
Dear
Andy,
Where do I obtain a copy of the BSA-Boy Scout Requirements book
(No.33215)? I read that it lists the alternate requirements for Scouts
with physical or mental disabilities. My son has both. I've been
looking on several websites but haven't found it. (Samantha Barton)
This book is available for sale at
your local council's Scout Shop, or online at
www.scoutstuff.org – Take your pick!
Yes, there are definitely alternate requirements available to Scouts
with permanent physical and/or mental disabilities, and this book
describes the process for this! For a quick read on how these alternate
requirements come into play, go here:
http://usscouts.org/advance/boyscout/bsrankalt.html
Best
wishes to your son on his Scouting adventure!
Happy Scouting!Andy
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Copyright © 2006 Andy McCommish)
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