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Karl Johnson

PSC 559, Box 6527

FPO, AP 96377-6527

Dear Andy,

Does a professional have to meet the requirement of earning the Commissioner’s Arrowhead Honor to qualify for a Masters degree in the College of Commissioner Science? Also, does being a professional qualify for the requirement of being a registered commissioner? (Garry, CC, Southeast Louisiana Council)

I’m sorta not getting this… Why would a career Scouting professional be earning a recognition aimed at improving the quality of the BSA’s corps of volunteers?

Dear Andy,

Do you know if there is a CPR patch to be worn on the right uniform sleeve? The only CPR patch I’ve found through Scout Supply is a heart-shaped patch. (Bill Higgenbottom, Georgia-Carolina Council)

That 99-cent CPR patch that the BSA offers might be worn on the right pocket ("temporary" position) but, no, there's no such patch that goes on the right sleeve.  The right sleeve is for the American flag, a den number or patrol patch, a current Quality Unit patch, and a Sea Scout Long Cruise patch, and that's pretty much it for that sleeve.

Dear Andy,

My son, in Sussex County NJ, wants to earn the Veterinary Medicine merit badge.  He was told that there’s no counselor for that merit badge in our area.  What do we do?  How do we find a counselor in a neighboring county?  Thanks for your help. (Jeanne Sevean, Patriots’ Path Council, NJ)

You do nothing.  Your Scout son starts by asking his Scoutmaster to please check with a neighboring district a counselor.  If that produces no results, the council immediately north of him is Hudson Valley, to the west is Eastern Pennsylvania, and one county east is Northern New Jersey.  Your son, or his Scoutmaster, can contact these councils, beginning with the geographically closest, and see if they have a counselor for that merit badge.  (And, just so this subject is covered: Yes, it's perfectly OK for a Scout to avail himself of a counselor in a neighboring district or council, the only "requirement" being that the counselor is registered as such, there.)  If all of these should fail, but he happens to know a friendly veterinarian nearby, he (not you) can go visit him or her, bring the merit badge pamphlet with him, explain what he's interested in doing, and ask that DVM if he or she would be willing to register with your council as a merit badge counselor (this costs nothing, by the way) and then work with him on this badge.

Why should your son do these things, and not you?  Because some of the things we hope to instill through the Scouting program are goal-setting, self-determination, self-actualization, and individual initiative, and you don’t really want to get in the way of these goals!

Hi Andy,

My Life Scout son went to his board of review last night and didn't get his Eagle.  They told him he was articulate, well-spoken, and well-prepared, and even went on to say how far ahead of most young men his age he was.  His Eagle project was great, they said, and they knew that, as a result, he’s taken a further personal interest in the children's hospital he helped, and has continued to help them, now almost six months after he finished his Eagle project!  However, he was also told that they “hadn't seen enough” leadership” from him, so they’ve asked him to serve an additional three months of leadership in his own troop.  So now he’s a Chaplain Aide for his troop, but in order to do that he was told he’d have to quit being a Den Chief, because you can't be a Den Chief and hold another leadership position in a Boy Scout troop.  My son feels like he had to choose becoming an Eagle over his Cub Scouts, with whom he’s worked for over a year!  Thanks for listening! I can't talk to anyone else. They just think I'm “being a Mom.” (Elizabeth Swafford

This is one really strange troop!  In the first place, the position of Den Chief qualifies as a leadership position for the rank of Eagle, and if your son’s been doing this for at least a year as a Life Scout, that’s twice as long as is required for advancement!  Second, nowhere in any BSA policies or procedures does it say that a Scout must abandon one leadership position in order to take on another: Holding more than one leadership position is entirely up to the Scout and his abilities, energy, interest, and available time.  Third, it is a BSA policy that, in a board of review that had this end-result, the Scout must be given a follow-up letter confirming the agreements reached on the action(s) necessary for advancement to Eagle, including a time period (i.e., a specific date for a second board of review).  This sounds like a very sadly uninformed group of people!

So, your son should get that letter right away, and he should check it for accuracy of agreement and make sure there's nothing vague or subject to possible misinterpretation in it, that might backfire down the road.  If he has a question, he should ask it.  He should also approach his Scoutmaster about the Chaplain Aide position, and secure the Scoutmaster's assurance that he'll provide the necessary training, so that he’ll be successful.

If the letter, etc. are withheld or delayed, your son has the right to appeal the entire process and decision at the district level.  Contact the district advancement chair (who is supposed to have a representative present at the board of review) and ask for a new review.

Dear Andy,

For Eagle project financing, the plan seems to indicate that monies/donations can be from any source: family, friends, even the organization benefiting. (I just want to make sure that a "fund-raiser” isn’t a mandatory part of the plan if financing can be achieved by other means.)

Also, for helpers/workers other that the one adult over 21 with Youth Protection training, is everyone else able to participate, such as friends outside of Scouting?

Finally, what is the troop committee’s role in reviewing an Eagle project?  (Dave Schaeffer, ASM, Troop 901)

Fund-raising can't be the main purpose of an Eagle project, even if it's for an organization other than the BSA.  Fund-raising can, however, be a part of an overall Eagle project, if money is needed to buy materials, supplies, etc.  There can also be direct donations of materials, supplies, and, of course, money, too.  This would not be considered "fund-raising," but it's an important part of the project plan description because it answers the question of how the materials/supplies will be obtained, or how the money to buy them will be obtained.  Gifting of money from parents or relatives, or money spent from the Eagle candidate's own pocket, is not encouraged.  This non-encouragement relates to the purpose of the Eagle project, which is not about building something or other, but about putting leadership skills to use.

Those who are the Eagle candidate's helpers are most usually his personal friends.  They may be Scouts, or not.  It doesn't matter. (As an aside, I know of a very popular young man whose entire "helper team" was his high school's female cheerleaders!)  Siblings may be helpers, as well.  Parents may be helpers, and the preference here is that they perhaps might do some driving, but experience has demonstrated that the Scout's task is actually made more difficult when "Dad" is on-site, because Dad often thinks he's back building his kid's Pinewood Derby car!  (Are you getting me on this?)  This sometimes happens with "Stage Moms," too!  Be cautious of seemingly heavy parental involvement.

If adults are going to be present while the work is being done and the helpers are being led by the Eagle candidate, their roles should be "like wallpaper" if at all possible.  Tow-deep is the rule, by the way.  But an ideal situation is one in which the Scout himself is in charge of everything, and in this particular regard this means in charge of the adults, too.  The minute an adult—any adult—begins to take over, this isn't an Eagle project any more!

The troop committee reviews the project plan in the spirit of helping end encouraging the Scout.  Noting an important piece of information missing, pointing it out, and softly making the suggestion that the Scout may want to flesh out that part a little more is certainly appropriate.  Donning figurative "black robes" to "judge" the project plan is anathema to the spirit of the review.  Properly carried out, a review will result in either a signature on the spot or a one go-round only second draft of the plan.  This should not be a protracted exercise and the Scout should never be "failed" or be expected to do re-write after re-write.

The earlier in the process the troop committee gets the district advancement chair involved, the faster and smoother the sign-off process will go.

What should a project plan look like and contain?  Think of it as a recipe.  That is, if the plan were given to someone else, who knew nothing about it, by following the plan as written the project can be completed successfully.

The whole idea is to support the Scout's success and to not put artificial and arbitrary roadblocks in his way.

Dear Andy,

As a new District Commissioner, I’ve been asked several times what the standard is for “showing Scout spirit” for advancing in rank.  Is there any place I can find some guidelines to help new troops form their own policies on this? (Bill Doody, DC, Three Fires Council)

Great question—Thanks for asking!  Here’s the best news: No troop needs to, or should, "form their own policy" for what Scout Spirit means.  The National Council of the Boy Scouts of America has already done this.

From The Boy Scout Handbook:

"Scout spirit refers to the effort you make to live up to the ideals of Scouting.  The Oath, Law, motto, and slogan serve as everyday guidelines for a good life (p.47)."

"Most requirements for Scout ranks can be measured by other people. When you set out to swim 50 feet fore the Second Class swimming requirement, anyone can see that you have covered the distance.  How well you live the Scout Oath and Scout Law in your life, though, is something for you to judge.  You know when you are being kind, when you are helpful and a good friend.  You know when you are trustworthy and reverent.  You alone know how you act when no one is around to witness what you do.  Do the best you can to live each day by the Scout Oath and Law (p.108)." 

"The Scout Oath and Scout Law are not just for reciting at meetings. They are not just to be obeyed while you are wearing a uniform.  The spirit of Scouting that they represent is every bit as important when you are at home, at school, and in your community...The standards set by the Scout Oath and Scout Law are very high.  Strive to reach them every day, and you will find that they become as natural for you to live by as they are for you to say (p.164)."

"By now (Star, Life, and Eagle ranks), the Scout Oath and the twelve points of the Scout Law should be the guidelines by which you direct your actions in your family, community, church, school, and nation. Living by these high standards is always a personal choice and something only you can fully measure.  But by now, many other people should be seeing qualities in you that make it clear you are choosing wisely (p.170)."

From The Scoutmaster Handbook:

"The ideals of the Boy Scouts of America are spelled out in the Scout Oath, Scout Law, Scout motto, and Scout slogan.  Boy Scouts and adult leaders incorporating these ideals into their daily lives are said to have Scout spirit (p.8)."

"Each (board of) review should...include a discussion of ways in which the Scout sees himself living up to the Scout Oath and Law in his everyday life (p.121)."

So there it is: The standards are the four cornerstones of Scouting and the best one to determine this is the Scout himself.

The next question you'll be asked is what does "active" mean, and for this one I refer you to the column I wrote on this subject.

Hi Andy,

At our upcoming district camp, I’m doing the campfire and think it would be a good idea to dress in a similar uniform to what Baden-Powell would have worn, but finding it a bit hard to find anything. I have the hat, necker, and woggle; it’s just the rest I’m struggling with.  Any chance you could help? Thanks! (Gemma Chilton, Cub Leader, First Carlton Colville Air Scout Group, Lowestoft, Suffolk, UK)

Try this URL:

Dear Andy,

I'm looking for a web page that shows all current merit badges along with their names, to print out.  My sons are working on merit badges and don't always remember the names of the badges, and this would help me to help them. (Bea, Rio Grande Council, TX)

Go to http://usscouts.org/advancementTOC.asp#merit for a complete list of all merit badges and their requirements!

Dear Andy,

Our new troop’s been using the Troop Meeting Plan since “Day One.”  In the “skill instruction” segment, we’ve been breaking the Scouts up into different groups; not in patrols (Thanks for your suggestion on that!).  But most of our Scouts don’t practice skills outside of troop meetings, so it’s difficult. We use the skill instructions to try to get the Scouts to advance. Is this correct, or should they work on skills at home?  We’re going to have a SPL election soon, and I’ll explain to the Scouts that the election isn’t a popularity contest. (Carlo, SM, Troop 455, Tampa Bay, FL)

OK, the Troop Meeting Plan is in place.  This is good!  And you have skills instruction in "skill groups," which is just fine!  And, yes, it's not unusual for boys to "skip their homework"--they do it in school all the time!  No reason for Scout stuff to be any different!

Scout skills: The best way to complete requirements is to USE THE SKILLS IN ACTION.  That's why, for instance, requirements often state, "On a camp-out with your troop or patrol..."  The big idea is to get your Scouts "out there" where they use what they've learned in a real environment.  To simply sit inside, in some room of a building, tying knots (for instance) is about as un-Scouting as we can get!

"Popularity": Every election is a "popularity contest."  Don't for a minute think they’re not!  Hillary’s getting people on her side BECAUSE SHE'S POPULAR!  Obama's doing exactly the same thing, for the same reason!  So is Romney!  In our case, when a Scout’s popular, he's more likely to get others to follow his lead, get cooperation, and get things done!  Can you imagine an UN-popular leader accomplishing anything! So, don't worry about this, because you can't stop it from happening, anyway!  Your job is to TRAIN the elected leaders, whoever they may be; it's not to "steer" or "slant" the election!

Hi Andy,

The Scoutmaster believes that one of the Life Scouts in our troop (one of my son’s friends) isn’t “Eagle quality" and seems to be creating obstacles to prevent him from advancing to Eagle rank.

A year-and-a-half ago, this Scout (let’s call him “Johnny”) asked the Scoutmaster for an advisor to help guide him for his Eagle project (he’d already found a project, met with the benefiting organization, and received preliminary approval).  Instead of providing an advisor, the Scoutmaster told Johnny to go look at other Scouts’ Eagle Project proposals.  Johnny did this, and he kept in touch with the benefiting organization.  He ultimately began writing the project plan on his own.  A full year later, Johnny again asked his Scoutmaster for an advisor.  This time, the Scoutmaster told Johnny that he had no recollection of him ever asking for an advisor, and that he’d try to find one, but all the advisors were really busy with other Scouts.  A month later, Johnny was finally provided an advisor, and the two of them finalized the project plan, which the benefiting organization signed off on (that was three months ago); however, when Johnny and his advisor gave it to the Scoutmaster for signature, along with the advisor’s assurance that the project was “ready to go,” the Scoutmaster, instead of signing it, started making Johnny revise and then re-revise the plan.  Each time Johnny and the Scoutmaster met, the Scoutmaster would bring up new changes he wanted made.  Then, a month ago, the Scoutmaster told Johnny that “It usually takes a year to write a proposal,” and that he didn't think Johnny would finish it in time.  The Scoutmaster then told Johnny’s parents that he didn’t think that Johnny would be able to get any good references for his Eagle rank application.  Last night, after Johnny turned in yet another revision of his project plan, the Scoutmaster gave it back to him with even more new changes.  Meanwhile, the advisor talked to the Scoutmaster about the fact that Johnny was “doing his best” and isn't that what he's supposed to do, and asked for more up-front guidance from the Scoutmaster, so that Johnny wouldn't have to keep making revisions only to be shot down again and again.  The scoutmaster said that he was “too busy to do that,” and anyway the proposal process is supposed to work that way—one revision after another.  The Scoutmaster also said that “anything less would be lowering his standards and letting the Scout just go through the motions in getting the Eagle rank,” following that statement up with another one: “I’m afraid that when Johnny gets to his Eagle board of review, one of the committee members will say that he’s not worthy, and so Johnny will be going through all of this work for nothing.”

So, wise and wonderful one, it’s now less than six months till Johnny’s 18^th birthday, and we’re wondering what to do. (Name & Council Withheld)

Assuming that the Scout has complied with his Scoutmaster's requests, this Scoutmaster is guilty of at least one of two things: Either he can't make up his mind, or he can't give clear instructions.  It would be, of course, unconscionable for this Scoutmaster to be purposefully throwing roadblocks in front of this (or any!) Scout in the perverted hope that the Scout will run out of time.

In this regard, I’m having trouble understanding why Johnny’s Eagle Advisor hasn't climbed on that Scoutmaster's chest with a fountain pen and simply told him, flat out, Enough of this nonsense!  Sign the bloody form! 

If I were in Johnny’s shoes, here's what I'd do...

1) I’d write out a chronology of the interactions I've had with my Scoutmaster, being sure to include dates (approximate, if exact dates can't be recalled).  I'd do this in "bullet-point" format (not a "Dear Diary..." approach).

2) I’d then enlist the aid of my Eagle Advisor to schedule a meeting for the two of us with the District Advancement Chair.  This meeting should be right away.  No more arbitrary delays.

3) With my advisor, I’d go see the DAC, briefly explain the situation and what's been happening, and ask for an over-ride on the Scoutmaster's signature.  (Now the DAC may want to contact the Scoutmaster to verify what he's been told, and this is fine.  It simply needs to be done sooner rather than later.)

Now just by way of background, while it may take a while to come up with an Eagle project concept, it should take no more than a couple of days to write up an Eagle project plan, and it should require no more than a single revision to satisfy anyone (Scoutmaster, receiving organization, unit committee member, or DAC) who believes there should be a revision.  This total process can ordinarily be accomplished in a week, assuming everyone's invested in success.  Two weeks at the most.

Time for some action here.  Enough of tolerating the forced delays on one little tin god who's got it wrong to start with!

The Netcommish Comments:

This is unmitigated nonsense.  The Eagle project is not supposed to be some exercise in corporate waffling to prepare a person for a life of revisions and change and it is not the Scoutmaster's job to plan to have revision after revision. The Scoutmaster's job is to be a coach and to see that the Scout succeeds.  That job requires the Scoutmaster to spend quality time with the Scout, to work out what is needed, help through guided discovery, and then let the Scout have a go at actually doing a project instead of being lost in the paperwork. 

Young men working toward  Eagle are not corporate clerks and for the most part are not much interested in paperwork at all.  The idea of a project plan is not to have the young Scout suddenly shift from an activity-focused lifestyle to acting like a adult going through some process management adventure, but instead to help assure that the project itself succeeds and provides a benefit to the intended recipients of the service. 

While in some cases there may be a need for a few sessions with a difficult project, this is something that should be accomplished in short order and not over months.

What’s the correct way to wear the Order of the Arrow sash? I understand the direction as described in the OA Handbook; my question is: Do you wear the OA sash to a troop Court of Honor? If so, do you wear it over the merit badge sash, or without the merit badge sash? Or do you wear it only for OA recognition? The book stated that you could wear the OA sash to any event where you’re being recognized for the OA accomplishment.  Recently three of our Scouts were being recognized for completing the OA Ordeal, but they were directed by a (non-OA) adult leader that they were not to wear these sashes at the Court of Honor. We all need to grow together with what’s the right thing to do. (Bill Higgenbottom, Georgia-Carolina Council)

You've almost, just about, got it right... The OA sash is worn when (and only when) a Scout or Scouter is specifically representing the Order of the Arrow and the OA Lodge. And, a Scout never, ever wears both his OA sash and his merit badge sash.  This also means that neither one is ever worn hanging over the belt (to "make room" for the other one)—this is about as tacky and incorrect as brown shoes with a tuxedo!

Most if not all OA lodges present their new members with the lodge OA "flap" patch, worn on the flap of the right uniform pocket.  This is the most that typically needs to be worn, to signify membership.  If these Scouts don't have these yet, they need to buy them if available, and sew them on their uniforms in time for the court of honor.  If this can't be done, then it would be pretty cool for the troop itself to present them with the OA Pocket Device (go to www.scoutstuff.org,  click on "uniforms and insignia" and then click on "miscellaneous"), which costs only $3.59.  Most local Scout Shops carry this item, and it's not "restricted." (By the way, the photo showing this at the ScoutStuff web site is incorrect—The device is attached to the button of the right pocket, but under the flap, not over, as depicted.)

Netcommish Comment:

. . .  unless you are in the Buffalo Patrol. <wink>

As for myself, I generally favor ideas like Mike's, so long as we don't set up an environment or mentality that reduces or eliminates one's own personally responsibility for oneself.  Yes, the unit and its adult leaders are responsible for the general safety and well-being of the youth served, but the unit and its adults cannot be responsible for each individual idiosyncrasy, IMHO.  If a kid has an allergy, I expect him to take care of himself.  This is, I think, called "self-reliance," which is something I think we're supposed to be encouraging.

Many Scout summer camps, and even Philmont, have vats of PB&J available at every dining hall meal, for those who'd prefer to eschew the cheeseburgers in paradise or the rattlesnake stew from hell.  But this doesn't mean that little Fargus should slather up a slice of Wonder bread, chomp it down, and then expect someone to whip out an Epi-Pen to save him from himself!

Same with troop/patrol camping.  If the Scout's allergic to chocolate, I expect him to have the brains to NOT DRINK THE FLIPPIN' COCOA! 

I think it's a nifty idea to bring in someone who can talk about allergies, but not to the point of stultifying a unit or paralyzing their desire to get out there in the greenery!  Five minute talk, tops.  And who cares if it's a parent, a Scout, or Santa Claus, so long as they're knowledgeable on the subject and treat it broadly, without singling out individuals (e.g., "...and poor little Cosmo over there... He's allergic to leaves!").

”War story” time: Had a Scout, once, whose mother told me all about his asthma, and how worried she was that we'd be spending a week at 6,000 Ft. elevation.  The kid never once so much as wheezed, all week long (Yes, I kept a weather-eye out for him).  But, guess what (you already know what)... A week later, when his mother drove in to take him home, as soon as she showed up with a car-full of his sisters and grandmother, he had an asthma attack right there on the spot!